All the people complaining about killers running full gens slowdown builds watch this please

When someone tries to bring the killer experience up for conversation, a bunch of survivor mains, claiming to play killer at the highest level, winning every game, come to demerit the opinion.

Emotional, newbies or gentle tactics cannot be used to balance a game. Variables where the player is not trying to win, cannot be used to nerf or buff a class. That’s how it is. You cannot make the game gentler for the survivors because of factors that are not in the game developer hands. If sometimes you get bad teammates that doesn’t mean that killer is op.

When you get a decent team of survivors, it’s not easy to win. Gens are flying these days. Going for community expectations of how killers should play would net cero victories for killers if he is facing survivors that are playing to win. Period.

I know competitive is not the experience we get in solo Q, but, when every single game, (the first one, because after they play for hook stages) REQUIRES the killer to tunnel and face camp a hook, that should tell you something about the state of the game.

They hate him because guy tends to speak the unpleasant truth.

The fact that survivor-favored posts get 2 or 3 times more upvotes than killer-favored ones should be a good enough indicator how biased this forum is. It's also the reason why developers shouldn't rely on people feedback when opinions that benefit one certain side often get voiced much louder than the other.

As a survivor main I just wish I got paired with survivors like the ones in this video more often. Getting paired with 3 other survivors that will actually make working gens a priority is exceedingly rare in solo queue.

alltough yes you are right. One thing i highlly dislike about dbd is : you can never really know what you will go up against . I can use a meme or non meta build and be fine for a few matches . However you never know what energy the other side is in . Are they doing tomes mostly ? Just joking around ? Are they here to do all gens in 4 min a leave ?
are they a 2 or 3 or 4 man ?
are they a 4 man swf with full coms who will be using the clock system for callouts with 16 meta perks and 4 meta items who will also bring you to badham pre school to have the max advantage ?
are they 4 solos listening to music and barelly paying attetion in the match ?
the fact all these scenarions could be true in different games makes it hard to have build variety . Most people play it safe with multiple slowdowns the same way nany survivors play it safe with heavy anti tunnel builds as a just in case . I'm not asking to know if i'm vs a swf or not but something to know what kind of match the otherside is looking for would be nice.

If you look at the video in first post, you will notice that two out of 4 survivors intentionally progressed to stage 2, despite being organized and playing mostly efficiently. Granted 3 of them managed to escape, in reality all 4 could had done that if they patiently stayed on hook instead.

What I mean here is MMR can't take a human factor into consideration. Even at high MMR ( we may assume that True has at least high MMR, right? ) there can be people who will try to do the same and lose 2 hook stages intentionally at which point killer can just tunnel them out and finish them off. If True actually did that when he still had 3 gens left instead of trying to go for another target he would have 1 survivor dead with 3 gens left remaining. His odds of getting at least another survivor out would be significantly higher and there even would had been a small chance to get 3rd guy hooked or even entire team caught on altruistic mistake.

In other words MMR only theoretically ''reduces'' the chance of throw but doesn't guarantee it. No system provide a truly ''fair'' match because the biggest ''random'' factor here is human player himself. There's always a chance things go wrong, regardless of MMR of all players.

As far as I know there's also the so-called ''no-drop'' cap where if you are in ultra high rank and keep losing ( intentionally or not ) the lowest drop possible for you will be high rank. No amount of losses will let you go from high rank to medium rank or lower. There's also no MMR ''reset'' and the so-called ''decay'' will temporarily drop you from ultra high rank to high rank for few matches if you haven't played for a while but will never go beyond the ''no-drop'' cap. Simply speaking if you want to have chill games, you should intentionally stay at 50% win-rate, regardless of how your opponents play, which in turn will create an illusion that MMR system does it's job because you will be getting matches where you either stomp or get stomped thus maintaining the rank you do desire.

Survivors get the courtesy for not getting shamed constantly

There's a thread like this twice a dayon the forums wym?

Feel Like they need to set a cap or something to limit just how much you can get to reduce the stacking. There's no reason we should have builds that can cut the time of a gen repair by half or more. I don't want any individual part nerfed, just limited to encourage people to not run this stuff together.

How is getting out in 3 minutes and spending more time in queue than in game "fun" though? I read all the time how survivors DYING after 3 minutes is unfun, but somehow doing gens and dipping in 3 minutes before even being chased is different? Was it the skillchecks that made it fun, lol? This kinda just reminds me of the depip squad back in the day. That team wasn't doing it for fun so much as doing it to prove a point.

I feel like you are drastically misunderstanding me. I'm not saying perks should be greyed out or anything. I'm saying they should do something along the lines of setting a limit of speed ups. If said limit was 15% for example, you COULD bring a perk that boosts by 6%, another that boosts by 9% and another that boosts by 8%, but even if you somehow trigger all of their requirements at the same time, you WOULDNT get a combined 23%.

I've been in favor of said limits for AWHILE now. Its a similar situation that Forever Freddy was, except reversed. For some reason instead of setting a slowdown limit, they gut the addons and called it a day. I hope that maybe in the future when they release speed up perks...maybe take a page out of autodidact's book. Its a perk that builds up to a good effect rather than immediately starts off amazing so you don't have it making huge strides until the game has been going for awhile.

I'd have the same opinion, because showing an extreme example that hardly ever happens is not really proving anything.

That said, to be fully honest, I'd be more sceptical of this content creator than most others because of what I've said. I just don't think he's trustworthy, even if his takes aren't actually wrong a lot of the time.

I don't understand why you are going on a tirade about their performance resulting from an assumption you're making. I was not totally clear on what I said, so I will explain. I do not trust this content creator to have good intentions for the game and I believe he is a seedy individual that wants to stack as many advantages as possible for the side he plays the most. In my opinion, he is that sort of player. Which leads me to always question his motivation for posting videos like these. It doesn't help that he wins most of his other games with sellout meme builds anyway.

In your second paragraph, it sounds like the gameplay loop of DBD. Whether it is killer or survivor, if you decide to sweat and bring busted stuff, you're likely to win. They have tournaments where they don't have any restrictions and killers still win about as much as they would with restrictions, so this definitely isn't a "sided" issue.

Why defend the "busted stuff"? Typically obvious busted stuff gets hammered. Iri head being able to get used with infantry belt for example was deemed busted, so it was changed to not be able to be used together. Why if you recognize it's busted are you arguing that its acceptable for THIS kind of stacking? I'm not saying the perks should be nerfed, just that there should be a limit to being used together similar to iri head and infantry belt.

As for Tru3... I don't like the guy either. His presence in the corner of the screen doesn't change the fact that these speeds are SO severe that it can be mistaken for hacking. If someone ELSE was in the corner of the screen, would your thoughts be different that MAYBE having builds that double repair speed is in no way healthy and MAYBE there should be limits to how much you can stack repair speed?

This isn't a case of a content creator complaining that the map is survivor sided and that's why he didn't get downs(Unlike other content he posts) . This is a video that you could mute and come up to your own conclusion that those speeds were nuts. At no point did any survivor loop ANYTHING. They won SHEERLY off time efficiency.

You can see the builds here:

The Survivors REALLY wanted to win. And as already said, this is an extreme case. It is not only the 4 BNPs, but also that the Team has a dedicated person for opening the Gates and Luck Offerings so that they might not even have to go for Saves.

Also, hard agree on the last part - nobody is complaining that Killers are running Slowdowns, but nobody needs to run 4 Slowdowns.

As it was suggested already, what if this video came from someone else, like Otz. Would it retain it's original value and point?

Because some people are way too entitled and believe that the fun of majority is more important.

Pretty much how games are unless someone intentionally wants to challenge self or plain lose. It may be unpopular opinion but survivors are less impacted by their load out and map selection than killers on average. Either stack up for maximum advantage or be at the mercy of random or worse.

That's a subjective opinion, regarding the need of 4 slowdowns.

In some cases these stacked 4 slowdowns may be the exact thing that gives certain killer the time to breath and maintain momentum. Saying that this isn't never needed is a wild guess given the possible combination of perks all survivors may have and the map that ends up being selected by the game.