Anti-Camp measure deserves a full-on rework because it's done horribly

I'd kind of like to know where this strange idea came from that survs should be able to have a completely safe unhook and killers are not allowed to be in the same time zone as the person they hooked.

"There is one slight thing you all are missing. Anti face camp mechanic isn't for "facecamping" bhvr never once stated it's to combat facecamp."

This has to be satire…..

Your logic seems flawed a bit. If someone is hooked in the basement. The gate is outside of shack and the meter is barely going up, that means the killer is just within 16 meters away. They are not even in the basement…All of this sounds like a flaw on the skill of the survivor. The mechanic is doing exactly what it should be doing. 

Anti-face Camp doesn't do squat either. Killer save more time triggering the mechanic and downing after Endurance is gone. Most Killer roster don't care about it.

Howdy, and welcome to DBD! This is a common misconception among the newer crowd, so no worries. There actually is no anti camping feature in the game. What you're talking about is probably the anti-facecamping feature which is working as intended and surprisingly well. Out of the hundreds of matches I've played since it's recent inception , I've only seen a single survivor facecamped.

Bear in mind, killers protecting hooks is 100% part of their goals and is simply part of how the game works. Anti facecamping being implemented was mostly just added to stop killers with one shot abilities from making rescues impossible (looking at you, Bubba). Killers are definitely designed in a way where protecting hooks is an important part of their toolbox. They have to decide between protecting gens, or risking zero gen pressure in favor of protecting the hook. It's a big risk vs reward, as zero gen pressure can be easily punished by the survivors slamming out gens. In fact, the devs even added 10 seconds to hook state time to give survivors even more time to punish the risk vs reward play by the killer. If the killer is protecting a hook, they are likely in hot water if the survivors play their cards right.

Anyway, welcome aboard, and i hope you have a better understanding of this mechanic.

well it was never an anti camp measure so you're wrong .

You’re completely missing the point entirely so let me run it back for you. The Anti FACE Camp meter is to prevent FACE camping. The Devs have stated numerous times they think camping is a valid and fair strategy and are 100% fine with it.

Removing the ability to face camp gives survivors a slightly better chance to get the unhook, although not much better. That was the point of it.

You're right it's a flawed system, it should be weaker especially after hook stages were made 10 seconds longer, and shouldn't exist in the 2v1 scenario.

Look again at your spirit game - camping lets your teammates complete the gens for free. It's also a spirit, so if you want to unhook one of your teammates (say Sable) can safely run up and trade just before 2nd stage. If the spirit downs the unhooker after unhook you get 10 seconds of 10% haste and endurance to make it at least somewhere which is more time waste while the 3rd survivor (say Zarina) picks up Sable while the 4th (say Mikaela) gets more free gen time.

If the killer instead hits your endurance directly off hook, you get a speed boost to somewhere and so the spirit either commits to you which is even more free gen time for everyone else even if you get double tapped (yay!) or the spirit switches to Sable which makes getting her tunnel out harder and wastes the 70 seconds spent camping you (double yay!!!).

I've literally versed a camping spirit with pain res DMS ruin in solo queue - they camped so they got zero perk value and we 2 or 3 outed. Either way - camping gives so much gen time so just do gens.

This is untrue. The presence of anti-face camp cannot save the killer time unless the survivors are bad or are solo queue players suffering from a lack of info. If the killer is face-camping, the survivor should wait until the very last second to self-unhook while their teammates slam gens. You're correct that the killer can wait or hit the endurance immediately (I've done this as killer in the 2v1), but that gives a lot of uninterrupted gen time to the survivors.

Killer camping is 70 seconds and the follow up is a minimum 10 seconds chase + carry time. which is extended by anti-tunnel like DS/UB, OTR, exhaustion perks (and blood rush), making it to literally any pallet or window, and even some spicy combos like plot twist flip flop power struggle.

Yes there are killers who are good at denying or just plain annoying with unhooks like huntress, clown, trickster, unknown, dracula, oni, and billy but a lot of them either suck (huntress, clown, trickster), need specific killer adjustments (nerfs in general or to unhooks) which anti-face camp changes wouldn't solve (unknown, dracula, billy), or already have limitations (oni).

Point being, don't buff anti-camp, buff the information available to solo queue players. Let all survivors see the anti-camp progress (including if it's ready) so survivors can get a vague sense of if the killer is nearby so they know whether to slam gens or get a free unhook.

The devs stating that camping is a strat doesn't make it any more fun to go against. A strategy that unfun to go against for most people shouldn't be as strong as it is now, that is just not good game design if you as a dev care about your playerbase. Not to mention how little skill proxy camping takes compared to it's average effectiveness.

their official patch note is not enough for you? their literal, official announcement introducing the mechanic?

oh brother, OP will accept nothing short of mindless agreement with him. This is not a discussion, this is just ignorance

I don't think i saw anyone mention this here, but it intentionally turns off once the generators are repaired and the gates are powered, which re-itterates the fact that camping is considered valid, and by the end of the match face camping is encouraged and the only expected thing of the killer when they have a hooked survivor in the end-game.

I believe OP never said that the anti-facecamp system isn't working as intended, but rather that it just doesn't do anything in most cases because killers just proxy camp.

That's the problem. The fact that it is only an anti-facecamp system and not a proper anti-camp system is exactly the problem. Being proxy camped is hardly any more fun than being facecamp, and a game like DBD should strive to be fun for both sides as much as possible. Which it isn't considering how strong proxy camping is in this game.

So you arguing that it's just an anti-facecamp system does nothing, since that's the exact problem with this system.

That's called "pressuring hooks". It's not camping.

The AFC is meant as anti FACE camp, not anticamp… because there are strategic reasons to "camp" a hook like that, because as the devs have said, camping is valid. The devs have all but said guarding hooks, proxying hooks, defending hooks IS VALID INTENDED GAMEPLAY. And yet, we still have people who think Killers MUST be 20 zipcodes and five days away from hooks before it is no longer "camping".

Time to admit it, long past time. Being near hooks, leaving people down for split seconds, and chasing weak links are ALL valid strats. There is no such thing as a true facecamp, a true tunnel, or a true slug anymore; the Devs have continued to work to remove those. All that really remains now, are tactics. If you cannot play around these valid tactics, it's a skill issue. Time for the Survivor players to actually learn the game the way Killers had to for some 7 years, playing around all the crap Survivors had until very recently. It's REALLY long past time.

I believe that it is doing the job it’s supposed to do, a.k.a. preventing facecamping.

But, the progress of it should be visible on the HUD. That is the only change I would do to it.

Oh, and also create a perk or two that fiddle with it, for example increasing the range and speed of it.