A potential fix to slugging

So if there is an Exponential boon on the other side of the map and the survivor is crawling to there they are instead punished?

I would be fine with it, if timer is like 40 seconds (not affected by any perk) and it can be used only if survivor wasn't hooked yet.

How after are you realistically slugged for an entire four minutes? Really? I can't remember the last time I've ever had that happen and I play way, way more than the average player.

Lastly, a four man slug is never happening unless there is a ridiculous mismatch in skill levels or the survivors are playing extremely bad.

So the likelyhood of first a 4 man slug and a 4 minute bleed out happening, is nearly non existent.

If this was even remotely common people would bring anti slug perks and get amazing value, but they don't, because they know it almost never happens.

I'm not denying it happens at all. However, if something happens .1% of the time, that is not worth the time and resources that could have been put towards things the majority of the player base actually experiences. This also isn't even getting into how almost all the ideas for "fixing slugging" have a negative consequence on normal game play..for that .1% experience.

Catering to such a fraction of the population for limited resources and risk of negatively impacting the entire rest of the community does not make sense.

I've definitely been in 4-person slug matches before. In some cases, it's because everyone messed up. But there are people talented enough with certain killers to 4-person slug over and over again, match after match. A survivor doesn't actually have to make mistakes or give up for this to happen.

Obviously streamers aren't the only players of the game, and shouldn't be taken as examples of the average player base. But I've watched a streamer go on a very long 4k 5gen streak with Billy. He was disappointed when a gen got done before his 4k was secured in one game, breaking his streak. I suspect that if that person can do that, others can too. And that means there's some set of players who are capable of abusing slugging in a way that makes it almost impossible for survivors to escape a match.

It's likely that this is a minority of matches, and that people are posting about this after it happens to them, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem that this is possible.

That's you hearing what you want to hear rather than what's actually being said. In 11k hours I can count the amount of times those scenarios have happened on one hand. That's a pretty big sample size. What's more likely is that people are exaggerating the scenarios from what's actually happening in their games because excuses are easier than accountability for playing bad.

"I'm sorry but if you're mainly playing killer and you're not slugging of course you're not going to see it often? 11k hours only on survivor? No? LMAO"

You're doing it again. You're hearing what you want to hear, not what's actually said. Where did I ever say I'm mainly playing killer? Stop adding things that weren't said. This is called confirmation bias. You're hearing what you want to hear to make it fit what you already believe rather than looking at it objectively for what is actually being said. I play both sides equally for the record.

"I'm sorry but people are having issues with it everywhere it's all over the forums as of the mori change highlighting it even more, you literally aren't paying attention."

So people complaining about it makes it a common issue? Do we think the forum user base is an accurate reflection of the player base? Correlation/Causation differences here. For hypotheticals here what if the forums were 100 people and 80 of them were complaining about something. That's everyone mostly right? That would mean it's a real issue? What if I now told you that the player base was 10 million people and that none of those had an issue with it? Now that 80 looks irrelevant. This example is to get a point across. Also, unhappy people are the most likely people to comment, not the happy ones. This can give a skewed perspective that things are more of an issue than they are, especially in DBD where people generally want to make excuses and blame everything else as the problem other than themselves. Most people also heavily exaggerate what actually happened once you push for details and it paints a very different picture. Lack of accountability is rampant.

"The point isn't that YOU personally havn't encountered it"

Normally anecdotal is a poor metric. However, the sample size I'm referencing is very relevant based on what's generally considered an appropriate size for accuracy. So I'm more referencing this as a statistic rather than personal experience since most people's personal experience isn't statistically relevant in dbd standards, normally.

"it's that it is so easy to do and is not healthy for the game or fun for the survivor side."

Easy? No, it's very high risk. Fun? Also no. You can objectively do more on the ground than on the hook. You can literally do nothing but remove yourself from the game on hook. Being slugged you can crawl away to make him lose sight, get under a pallet for a save, as well as multiple anti slug perk options. Fun is typically subjective but in this case it's objectively more fun to be slugged because you can do something as opposed to nothing on hook. The real reason people hate it has nothing to do with fun, it's because their egos are hurt and they want to remove themselves from the match and that's being denied. "Fun" is an excuse for the real motive. I would always rather be slugged.

"You are surely not that ignorant."

No need to be insulting. We're having a conversation like adults here.

Yet it still dont fully disable the killer to play the game, it only stop them for a brief second and all those things have counters like lightborn, not tunneling at all if worry on ds or otr,paying attention etch. Heck aurvivors cant even body block s killer in a corner yet a killer can by sinple not hitting them.

This post has been completely invalidated as you clearly do mainly play killer per your comment on another thread calling for killer to receive equal treatment.

Now, go play 100 survivor games and keep count of how many times you are slugged for 30 seconds, a minute, 2 minutes, till bleed out. Now you can also add in slugging for the finisher mori AND I want you to do this in solo q. Come back when you have those results and we can compare notes.

If you are not willing to do this, then I guess you should stop arguing as you do not have enough experience as a solo q survivor player to speak against slugging.

When that one side that you want to be improved on is already the focus of the game, yes. You cannot say this is not a killer sided game when killers are supposed to get a 60% kill rate. While I understand a difference between a kill rate and a win rate, if they are supposed to kill more than they are to let live, then the game is killer sided.

I am happy for you that you do not experience the level of slugging so many others do however you cannot sit here and say it does not happen. Congratulations on your 11k hours in the game however that means absolutely nothing. There are plenty of killer mains with thousands of hours that just do not play survivor. And saying you have 11k hours does not mean you know more than anyone else or that you are right while everyone else is wrong.

I think that slugging the third survivor and hunting for the 4th is the best way to secure a 4k, specially if both are on dead hook.

I understand it might feel bad, but sometimes when you want the best result you have to do it. I think is fair, since there are plenty of outcomes in that situation.

IDK. I would also consider rude Tbags, Teams with sabotage, flahlights, flashbangs etc, yet… they are in the game and you have to deal with it.

I think a simple solution would be granting survivors a 4% chance to stop the hemorrhage and stand up or die. Just like hooks. Wouldn’t really change that much the current state of the game.

This would reward slugging for a long time. Rather, I think we should make the bleedout timer be something like 2 minutes instead. 2 minutes is enough for two gens or a gate, and more than enough time for someone to pick a slug up on either side. It's also about the length it takes the full sacrifice animation to happen on a hook, twice as long as Ghostface and Myers' Exposes work, and the length of endgame collapse. If 1-2 minutes is good enough for these things, it's more than good enough for a bleedout.