Revealed Status-Effect from 2v8 for core?

This woould quite literally instantly kill all aura perks on the spot. Which I know is what survivors want but its still insane to me.

Only on very limited amount of perks / powers / addons.

If implemented mindlessly, it will kill the fun in using aura perks to attack survivors that don't expect you to see them. Also another handholding mechanic that removes the "fog of war" effect in matches where player has to play around the possibility of the perk and observe the opponent's behaviour to determine the perks they use. It constitutes a part of the skill curve and trivializing it further is a bad decision.

It would make more sense to use it as killer instinct indicator when the killer's own power doesn't do a good job at telegraphing it and there's nothing to assume survivor isn't supposed to be aware of being revealed in the first place.

Singularity's infection spread, Xenomorph's killer instinct upon leaving tunnels, Nemi/Wesker's killer instinct while using a vaccine/spray, Unknown's killer instinct when survivor cancels dispel, Sadako's full condemn. Things that are NOT supposed to be ambiguous and unexpected, but still can be ignored by survivors merely because they require specific knowledge that they are in play in the first place.

We SHOULD NOT tell survivors if their aura / location is being revealed by perks like Im all ears; Gearhead; BBQ; Floods of rage, Darkness revealed, etc; that their location is revealed by killer instinct through powers like Legion's frenzy (bc of that one addon); Artist's crows (because the detection range is ambiguous enough to make survivor second guess their safety); Dredge's nightfall / addon kill instinct reveal (bc the range is ambiguous to be determined precisely).

Generally, a lot of things in this game are designed to work because your opponent doesn't know they are in play. Revealed status effect applied mindlessly (aka on just about any aura / kill instinct reveal) will stop a lot of things from working the way they should be and will be another step in trivializing and railroading the game into a chess match.

I don't think so. It's more appropriate in 2v8 because that mode is inherently more chaotic and fast-paced and it has a lot of aura reading to contribute towards that style. Most aura-reading in 2v8 is also basekit and doesn't come from specific abilities so the revealed status effect doesn't really give away anything the killer is using.

If this were applied to perks/addons in 1v4 it would make several of those perks/addons much weaker when they don't need to be. If an aura-reading perk or addon in 1v4 is so strong that it needs to warn survivors, then it should either have a debuff icon (like Weave does) or that specific perk/addon may be an issue. But there's no reason to give a blanket nerf to all aura reading when 90% of it is fine.

So, you want to be chased, but only under incredibly specific circumstances? You want to be able to be stealthy, but then get mad when the killer focuses on the one survivor they're able to find? You want killers to focus on the unhooker instead of the survivors that got unhooked, but conveniently left out that the unhooked survivors will, more often then not, bodyblock to protect the unhooker, and will then likely get mad when the killer just goes after the body blocker when this happens?

I'll be honest, this has "Survivor Rulebook for Killers" written all over it.

Imo this should be applied to both sides. If your aura is being read and you know about it, it is still a massive advantage, people that don't want this likely just want to keep abusing aura for free chases and hits.

If you are facing a survivor with wallhacks via key or wiretap, now you will know, better for newer players and for experienced ones (a la key) you now have less instances of "was that a subtle cheater?"

meanwhile on the survivor side if your aura is being read you know about it and can try to play around it, but the killer still has the advantage as it should be. Now you don't have to constantly play around all the aura perks in all possible scenarios as well as add-ons, which is pseudo impossible especially with perks that require perfect knowledge of killer actions like gen kicks and locker searches.

Considering the purpose of aura perks is to gain information about the location of survivors, this wouldn't kill any of them.

What this would kill is survivors giving the killer free hits/downs because they are not aware of their aura being read while stealthing or rotating. If this change happened, you would still know where the survivor is. You would still be able to use these perks to basically have perfect gamesense. All that changes is your opponents are more aware.

Every buff to solo queue is technically a nerf to killer. Also, if 2v8 is anything to go by, you will still see plenty of survivors oblivious to the fact that their aura is being read despite being told. Killers would be fine.

Every buff to solo queue is technically a nerf to killer

not really, there are things to do that would make gameplay for soloQ better without changing killer's POV much.

This change would definetly affect killer's gameplay. You dedinetly would notice survivors prerunning whenever you see their aura…

You can show survivor's perks, implement some sort of chat wheel/ping system etc. Those are things, which are useless to SWF (they already have this information) and gameplay wouldn't change at all for killers.

This change would help SWF (more than soloQ) and would make killer's gameplay worse. I simply don't think there is need for anything with such an outcome.

Let's use BBQ as an example. Since my point isn't about quantity, but about how these perks are being used or even intended.

For myself, I run BBQ and hook a survivor. It shows me the auras of survivors farther away, and I know generally where to go to interrupt them on gens to keep map pressure rolling. Especially if I see 2 people working on a gen I know I can apply the most pressure by going that direction to say hello.

This is what I feel the perk was intended for, and was largely used for in the past (pre-6.1). This is also what I suspect the person I replied to means by "what survivors wanted" since everyone gets to share in the chase/pressure, and has a generally more well balanced game (some chase, some gens, some recovery, and tangible BP gains), while the killer is actually applying pressure.

But let's take the same scenario for another player, like how people claim to play killer on the forums: they hook, see two people on a gen with BBQ. Instead, they decide "that gen is gone, I'm staying here" and camp the hook at 11m. Inevitably, or eventually, the survivors do finish that gen since there's no pressure, and the killer knows exactly where they are coming from. In most cases that will be the direction they approach the hook, so the killer waits to interrupt them there. This is effectively equivalent to "holding a corner" in a shooter game.

And once the unhook actually happens, since the killer has applied no pressure, they also tend to decide to tunnel the unhooked survivor, side "gens fly" (and the killer has done nothing to stop them).

Now, the perk or aura read of BBQ isn't problematic, the perk itself is fine. But the mindset and how it can be used is the issue, which is my point to the person I replied to.

Although this assessment varies perk to perk and the use cases.

You also have the added problem of "mind gaming during chase" that they specifically mention is mostly deleted or nearly impossible in some cases by using something like new zanshin or weave attunement, and predator is literally a killer second chance perk. So survivors actually doing well or "winning" a chase can be completely impossible, or undone by these effects.

So someone saying "survivors should be happy" about these aura reads is missing the mark entirely. These perks aren't incentivizing the kind of gameplay he's portraying them to, at least they don't require it. Not that people can't use them for healthy play, but people won't if there's no downside either.

I can sort of see the argument you're making here, but it's not as though BBQ is actually either incentivising or improving your camping there. At best it might cause the killer to make the decision, but after they make the decision, BBQ does nothing but offer a very vague direction they're probably coming from, maybe, depending on the map layout.

It doesn't tell the killer when the rescuer is coming, it doesn't tell the killer how many are coming, it doesn't allow the killer to ambush someone rounding a corner or crouching behind a loop, it doesn't even tell the killer where everyone is so who knows, maybe the last survivor is the one coming for the save.

The tunnelling point is irrelevant here, since that's literally unaffected by BBQ or pretty much any other aura read in this scenario.

Even at most, the worst thing you can say is that aura reads fail to persuade the killer not to camp, if they're inclined to do it anyway they're gonna do it. You could just as easily make the argument that a killer who doesn't have any way of seeing survivors after a hook will just sit there to try and interrupt someone going for the save because they're not secure in their ability to find someone- if a player is inclined to take the cheap cheese strategy, they are equally likely to treat any given situation as incentive to do it. The only worthwhile situation is to weaken that cheese strategy, rather than attack the things those players are incidentally also using while doing it.

Since aura reading doesn't empower camping and improve its effectiveness in any real way, it's not really a relevant factor when discussing that issue. Same for tunnelling, albeit with a few slightly greyer areas.

While it would be nice for survivors, we'd say it shouldn't be a basekit thing. Maybe a perk, but not basekit. Survivors need to be on their toes and this seems a bit much like too hand holding to us.

Nah it definitely completely kills them. Survivors can use the information to actually trick killers by pretending to head one way and then when the aura read ends they double back. No more cross maps as Huntress either those would be entirely gone essentially because people would just sit behind a wall until the aura reveal was over.

They def do NOT need to join the club.