Isn't this game fantastic?

That is the only situation where an instant bleed out option would work. The team has lost, no way of winning or getting back up so all should die instantly.

Like I said before, a bully squad is subjective. Some people consider bully squads to be people that gen rush. Some people consider bully squads to be anyone that uses head on and flashbangs… for their designed purpose. At the end of the day, a bully squad is self-defined by the killer as a scapegoat to why they lost a match, or as a reason to spite survivors for doing nothing but being competent and competitive.

No matter what your definition or my definition of what a bully squad are, it is simply not the same as griefing by the game's own report system: "Griefing - Report this player for intentionally using abilities or game mechanics to the detriment of the game. Examples: Taking the game hostage, body blocking, working with the killer." No matter how much a killer doesn't like flashbangs or head on, using them in a coordinated team to try and win is not "to the detriment of the game."

Ah, griefer squads just…don't exist because…I guess killer bad?

Keep in mind that hide and seek squads fit that definition but nobody has ever been banned for it that I can find out, or people abusing spots where the killer cannot hit or pick them up…which Mandy confirmed isn't bannable a few years back (with the DDS spot AFAIR). So clearly this is another instance where the rules as written are not the rules as enforced. But that's another discussion.

I'm saying that it's a team or majority team running a coordinated strategy to be annoying outside of the standard win condition. If your goal isn't just to win but instead to try and make the other side miserable without any incitement, that's griefing.

Now - the grey area is stuff like abusing flashbang+BGP to drop unavoidable flashbangs inside the killer model to cause unavoidable saves. Or abusing Boil Over and spots where you literally cannot hook them to 'win', which I consider exploiting.

Yeah that's a weird one. Did they pick up? I've had situations where someone sabos, I drop, down them, the next person tries to sabo and on we go.

You going to post the unedited screenshot or are you, after all of that, asking us to just take your word for it?

I never said anything about griefer squads. You using the word griefer interchangeably is how you get to an incorrect assertion like that.

The killer or survivors holding another survivor in a corner because of hitboxes is griefing. Blocking windows/pathways of a survivor to aid the killer in downing them is griefing. Using flashbang or head on as a team against the killer to save another survivor is not griefing.

As I said before, just because the killer doesn't like to have perks used against them does not make it griefing on the survivor's end. How is saving a survivor when the killer is picking them up going outside of the win condition of survivor, you know, to survive? I'm sorry, it's not. I could just as easily say running pain res, grim embrace, dead man's switch, and deadlock is griefing because it's making my match as a survivor miserable. But then everyone would tell me to "get good" and that it's a "skill issue." But if I were to say if you're constantly going after the person you know has boil over, that's a skill issue because there are 3 other players in the match and to focus on the players that aren't trying to strategically waste your time, then I would be met with killer mains who insist that "well going after them was the only play" or "all 4 were running boil over." I can tell you from thousands of hours of experience, it is not the only play.

Exploiting is categorized differently from griefing and is not subjective, it is objective. If someone is abusing a bug, it is exploiting, not griefing. I don't really know what point you were trying to make here. Sure it's annoying to play against exploiters and by definition griefing, but exploiting takes precedence over griefing when you report someone in my opinion.

If they're going to keep in awful mechanics that players can exploit to waste other players time they should at least add a vote to forfeit.

How on earth do you let this happen, like I swear you can loop wraith until dbd 2 releases, how did he get 3 downs without no one getting to house of pain or main building and running his ass. Like I genuinly want to know.

Have you even looked at this thread?

I wish I knew. I was just doing my gen, when suddenly all of my teammates were down.

Very few teams are truly unhookable and hiding is not a reason to slug somebody. Like a "hider squad" isn't even a real thing lmao.

As far as SM goes very few people actually liked SM, killer players included. But survivors didn't get SM removed, that was BHVR's choice. It's also BHVR's choice to not visit killers for 1 years+ so slugging survivors because of things the devs did sounds insane to me tbh.

Okay but like if it's a situation where the last two survivors are just hiding you can just hook the first survivor you find and that's literally faster than bleeding someone out lmao.

Also that's not how game development works lol, players do not have access to the code only BHVR does and BHVR decides when and how to make changes to killers and BHVR does not have the best track record when making these changes in either direction see what they did to SM but also how they spent 3 years on a rework to twins that was so bad it made her the best killer in the game and got completely scrapped. Now did some survivors want SM to be deleted? Sure but every game has 12 year olds demanding things they don't like be deleted from whatever game they're playing but BHVR is one of the few devs to actually do it because they genuinely don't know how to balance SM and don't give themselves time to figure it out with their production schedule. But this is neither here nor there because the nerfing of SM is not a reason to slug random survivors, that is absolutely bizarre logic.

The only thing you should be crying about is your lack of skill as a team as that's the only way post nerf Chucky is getting a 4 man slug at 5 gens. Actually I'd be too embarrassed to post this if I was one of the survivors. And also it doesn't look like the killer's even bleeding all 4 of you out cause he did pick someone up, so you're just complaining about the killer winning, which is just usual survivors entitled behavior.