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buff pop goes the weasel back to 25%
Nerfing gen regression perks because they’re used too much when they’re there to help lower-tier killers don't make sense. If 30% was too much and 20% was too low, I see no reason why we go back to 20%. Believe it or not, nerfing slowdowns will just make killers run even more slowdowns and potentially tunnel more. It does not help the situation, especially since we now have shoulder the burden, which counter is proxy camping. That is an unhealthy design. you can deny a death hook by trading and that affects killers that don't even tunnel. depending on how you define tunneling and it's not you must have everyone on death hook or your tunneling.
nerfing slowdowns and then buffing or adding more second-chance perks will make slugging the meta.
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We need much more nerfs on slowdowns as long as you can stack them to no end. Buffing slowdowns is the worst way to go.
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If that means buffing basekit slowdown, then sure.
Current slowdown are already very weak compare to original versions, most of them not really worth to use. You also can't stack several of them, because of 3-gen feature (especially Surge/Eruption).
Overcharge, CoB are super trash.
I also wouldn't mind buffing them to original version or more and limit them to 1/2 per build, but that would need overall rework of perk system for both sides, which is not likely to happen in next years.
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I agree but this should apply to survivors too. You shouldn’t be able to stack gen speeds.
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I am so sick of this people who dont tunnel gets punished by ds otr and now shoulder the burden excuses, blame your fellow killer mains for it not the survivors and if we complain your said fellow killer main counters saying run anti tunnel perks sheesh. Or when we said not every distortion user was a rat, killers didnt wanna believe it.
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Absolutely not. Almost every game right now is either Pop, Pain Res, or both. The last thing we need to do is make them even stronger.
If anything, both regression perks and gen speed stuff on the survivor side should get nerfs
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When they make slowdown unstackable sure, but until then no. Screw slowdown perks.
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pop can often not be good for lower tier killers have to walk all the way to the gen when blight or billy can just press one button and they are already in it. the thing is. the 20% can benefit them anyway. but for lower tiers. 20% is literally #########. the gen could literally pop before you reach it. they basically made it so. only killers with map mobility will use it. that's terrible.
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you can only kick a gen 8 times and eruption will just make it 4. if you to make it unstackable. remove the gen kick limit and now we're talking.
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slowdowns.. were already nerfed. idk what you want. pop got a reduction of 10, eruption can only applied 4 times due to gen kick limit. call of brine is the worst slowdown in the game it does nothing other than give you info. overcharge got the same treatment. it'd been fine if overcharge and cob didnt stack. grim got a slight nerf. dead lock was nerfed for no reason. I get the feeling you just dont want them to exist so games will end in 4 minutes.
but if you really don't want them to exist, might as well remove survivor second chance perks if you really want it this way.
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If they bother to that... it very hard to see that happen anytime soon.... if killers can get rewards for different individuals hooks and not tunnel the same survivor like basekit pop goes the weasel, or give killers to the ability to at least take away all progress of a complete Gen, after say they individuals hook all 4 unique survivors at least one. (2 time, for a maximum of 8 individuals). That would be a way to balance the game abit.
Increase generator time wouldn't help either, but maybe we can create more 2nd main objective that survivors need to do (so that gen rushing isnt much of a problem)... like finding a spare keyfor the exit gate or gen part to permanently fix the generator. Stuff like that, to help even the playing field while punished one side for taking advantage of either Genrushing as survivor or tunneling survivor out of the game as killer.
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I think everyone understands that if you give killers a perk that rolls back the gene to 100%, no one will stop tunneling? Moreover, this will again be a blow to solo players who have no communication.
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Surge bypasses it as does pain res
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you say this like surge is a problem, who tf complains about surge. and both count as a regression event.
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They don't. Surge and Pain Res count towards the 8 times damage limit and do not work on gens that have already reached that limit.
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I just want some of the weaker slowdown and gen control buffed. Like you said, CoB is trash and so are a lot of more minor generator control perks on Killer side.
Meanwhile, Survivors get BUFFS to generator repair boost perks, a perk that reduces gen charges permanently in exchange for being perma-Broken and a minute of your time, and buffed toolbox sabo when certain toolboxes need nerfing.
So we got a lot of gen repair and progression help, but because a few Killers a year ago were really good at stacking slowdown and 3gennig, Killers aren't allowed to have ANY halfway decent slowdown.
If they aren't gonna buff Killer gen perks, they NEED to nerf Survivor gen perks to make it even. The game shouldn't be about how fast or slow you can make a gen, that just increases stress and it's NUTTY to me they thought to boost generator PROgression but nerf generator REgression. It should all either be buffed to a similar level both sides, or nerfed until it's weaker both sides. And it should never be more than 20% faster/slower, 20% removed/added, or 20% more/less charges.
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slowdown perks are in an awfully bad state rn, since only actually good gen slowdown perls are Eruption and Grim. Pain Res is just a shadow of it's former self and it definitely deserves to be reverted to 25%.
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Surge bypasses it as does pain res
Ruin is the only decent perk that bypasses regression events. Both Surge and Pain Res count towards the limit of 8.
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Do you play a different game? Were still in slowdown meta with pop, pain, grim and so on being seen left and right.
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The nerfs mostly did nothing to the perk usages. Theyre still the most used perks on killer cause its still super easy to stack four slowdowns and play a brain-afk-mode.
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I couldnt care less for this, as this isnt even an issue at all. though it has nothing to do with slowdown issue.
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we are still in a gen slowdown meta because nothing else is worth running at all.
Pop is literally terrible in it's current state.
Pain Res is shadow of it's former self with 4 tokens of 20% regression and is only decent if paired with Grim.
Eruption gives out much more value than Pain Res atm because even with those 10%, you will manage to be more consistent than with Pain Res.
Ruin is decent due to gen tapping removal and it not counting towards gen event limit.
Grim is the only truly awesome pick here.
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I am so damn confused how people still complained about pop when it got a huge nerf, if your m1, gl walking all the way to the gen just for a 20%. it needs to go back to 25% to help lower tier killers. ofc blight and billy can still benefit from it as they have map mobility. most killers don't have that. so they are better off using something else like dead lock and pain res.
and this is the meta for obvious reasons, they were nerfed. so we will stack them even more? people now run pop and eruption to help with this.
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I see deja vu in just about every lobby I am in, usually with resilence, and of course proven thyself. Gens Fly. Lets not act like they dont. This isn't even including toolboxes which can be refilled with certain perks.
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you can bring a strong toolbox, use a perk to reload it in a locker. streetwise to make it last longer. one cannot defend this and think slowdown nerfs were justified. it makes zero sense.
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Gen Regression like pop didn’t need to be nerfed as much as it was. Is my point.
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No killers use gen regression too much of a crutch as it is. only really need 1 as killer or 2 sometimes on low mobility killers. Its this way because too many people run 4 slowdown perks.
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You’re absolutely wrong my friend…Pain res is not almost guaranteed. More often than not my RNG has all 4 scourge hooks on one side of the map. No where near the location I am at. You get 4 tokens and that’s it. Pop can’t be used after Pain Res because the gen is regressing.
Gen perks should not stack with toolboxes. That’s my opinion. It’s too fast. Use the tool box, once it’s out, feel free to use perks. Not both at the same time.2 -
This. Speaking as a Ghostie Main I would never run Pop unless I paired it with something like NTH or Fire Up, there is no value there if you don't have mobility. I'd much rather not bother, and just run something like Grim+Thrilling for longer hold, Pain Res for instapop, or Surge so I don't need to kick it. All of those pair way better. Even Ruin with the right guarding Perk is a much much better choice than Pop for a lower mobility Killer who can't afford to stop and kick gens as much.
I'd rather see all generator perks both sides addressed and normalized so that hyperspeed gens AND turboslugpace gens can't happen. We don't want 3Gen Meta again, but it is a little absurd you can stack gen perks on top of already strong toolbox variants with a lot of charges AND recharge those toolboxes on top of it. If anything it points to toolbox speeds being the issue, not gens and not perks. It should be normalized.
I saw someone here at one point suggest no higher than 25% gen repair speed or regression chunk. I think that's totally valid. I'd even be fine with a Killer Perk that on kick takes 10% off the gen every time and then nerfs repair speed or something for that gen too, anything to make it viable to kick gens without having to resort to a strong regression tool every time. Perks like Huntress Lullaby and Thrilling Tremors should be viable; due to various factors they aren't and buffing them isn't the answer. Nerfing something Survivors have so you can't have crazy gen speeds on top of doubling on gens, reducing charges, and little buffs to speed here and there with perks probably is. We should cap both regression AND progression or this war of attrition over gens won't end.
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If you didn't notice people quitting the matches because of many reasons and slow downs are one of them promise you. You are really making a case for more of that? This is just crazy.
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i'd say pop should go back to being max regression perk with a values of 10%/11%/12%. pain res should go to working infinitely but base regression is reduced to 5%. Instead, it increases the base regression speed by 100% indefinitely until regression event is stopped.
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They do, you down a survivor near an unkickable gen it will bypass the "limit", try it.
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I fail to see how this justifies nerfing slowdowns caz some survs are bad at the game, like i said in the post. nerfing them will make people run even more slowdowns and slugging will become meta. if this is what you want. people quit if i have 4 aura perks. so should we nerf aura perks? heck no.
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I'm curious because I haven't noticed this effect, could you provide some footage of it in action? If it does work that way, I would be interested in seeing how to make it do so consistently.
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do you even play killer, please don't make claims without knowing anything.
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I sure do beat a at least 3 person SWF ttv group with pop goes the weasel when it's combined with other slow downs it's just ridiculous so what happens if you buff it more more more more? I was playing a 3 gen it took me a little longer because main was in the 3 gen. They did abuse that. The way the match played out I tunneled 1 out played a 3 gen but still it wasn't that hard. I was also just playing wraith so nothing crazy I bounce between wraith and spirit. If I was on spirit my main this would have been a lot worse for the survivors. As to criticize ones skill a dev said " a kill equals skill and surviving equals skill" I got the 4k with 2 gen's left which also means the survivors were also trying to break the 3 gen. I guess I'll include the build I was playing. Pain res, pop, eruption and brutal strength and the add on were green windstorm and purple shadow dance.
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Buff ALL regression or NERF ALL progression to an equal state and stop it stacking. It's so lop sided towards survivor gen efficiency its actually insane.
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