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Why was Trickster made the most annoying killer in the game
Honestly folks Trickster sucks to be faced. He is bloody annoying you get hits based off of no skill just spamming knives with no counterplay. It is only running around a long walk hoping you can stop him from hitting you and him resetting the timer for the knives. Who made this killer so annoying I wonder. Literally makes me want to give up every game because he is annoying. Watching killers spam their power is so annoying as survivor that it makes you want not to play against this killer.
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Yeah, him and legion.
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i have rework/overhaul rework post idea i want to post for trickster. i haven't had the time to write it out but the full idea is in my head. it is complete rework that keeps the nature of the power the same but entirely reworks for how trickster is played and played vs.
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honestly at least legion is weaker than trickster and you can actually stun him out of his power since he has to come to you and also get 4 frenzy hits to down someone with his power. Legion on its own could use a few minor buffs perhaps I have played him a lot and I know he underperforms on very large maps along with survivors prerunning him which is a fair tactic usually.
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Glad to hear it. Honestly anything would be better than watching him spam me with knives. Such an annoying thing. I wish they did not buff huntress about as much with her 7 hatchets which seems absurd
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I thought we were discussing annoying? Because they are both super annoying and unfun to play against.
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The issue is Trickster is a ranged Killer that feels super easy to play and makes chase a liability, you HAVE to hide from him.
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Sure he is annoying if you decide to heal. Come on tell me every person that plays against him heals? Not really do they. I mean if you try to heal you get called a moron usually even though its fair. Sure his deep wound is annoying mostly cause of the effects but overall good survivors can deal with him easily but yeah he breaks solo que just as the rest of the killers. His redemption is how good the music is
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time to treat him like nurse I guess
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no way is "feels super easy to play" a true statement. tru3 has background in fps where he played pro cod and otz has poor aim. tru3 doesn't do well with trickster and otz plays trickster poorly. if he was so easy to pick up, someone with fps background would do well and otz would also do well even if he is bad at fps. there is clearly skill-cap to play trickster.
An example of easy pick character is Myer's. Most people can hold m2, look at people and press mori button to instant kill survivors. This isn't hard concept to execute properly. Legion is power that runs faster, vaults pallets, m1's people in the power. again, injures everyone. again this isn't hard concept to execute or understand. Hard-core FPS track aiming is hard concept execute. Very few players will be able to FPS track consistentently, especially for long time as TTK or this case "Time to down" TTD is very long for dbd. So any time people say trickster is easy, the evidence does not support it. the stats also support that he does not do well on average when a new player/less experience begins playing him.
generally, only player that main trickster do well with him. i'd say trickster *slightly under-tuned. at least people that main him say he could some buffs. his normal throwing mode is too add-on dependant and the 8 knives is just tag too much. he just needs huntress QOL tweaks. I hope they can give trickster few tweaks to make just tiny wee little bit better. i get like 70% win-rate on him so overall, i don't have trouble playing him but i also don't main or specialize in trickster. i just enjoy his gameplay.
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Trickster takes a lot of skill. Its not easy hitting those knife shots.
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This is either the most trolling comment ever. Or you have completely lost your mind and are about to have a stroke too. Seriously if you truthfully think it takes skill to hit 8 knives out of the 50-60 you posses without reloading you must be indeed going crazy
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Did you seriously use in part of this statement the card "new players cant do well with it" no mother of christ they cant nobody does well with any killer the first few times they play him. It takes a few matches to understand his power. Until you realise you can just go right behind the survivor and spam as many knives as you want. Every game with trickster I have seen has been spam fest and everyone dying. The only times we escaped are when I was playing with one friend who is somewhat good as survivor and still we all almost died. Even then it is rare to escape. Trickster annoying and uninteractive. I said before killers designed to just spam without thinking much are not fun. And if you really thinking controlling your mouse to aim is so difficult I would like to see how godo you are with huntress who needs one shot and has the same no crosshair as trickster but of course everyone can shoot with her well so sorry but your argument that trickster aiming is difficult just doesnt work. Hell I will even sometime soon buy the damn killer just to see how bloody easy it is to spam survivors so much that they die.
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Tell me you don't play trickster without telling me you don't play trickster. He starts with 44 basekit I believe. What does all those knvies even mean if you can't hit your mark? You still have to hit them 8 times, if there isn't a bunch of crap in the way, not to mention teammates taking hits, not to mention he throws a lot slower than he use to. Seriously.
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just because you don't enjoying playing vs the character does not mean he does not take skill. Like i said, vast majority of players do badly when playing him. only really the top 1% that often main character have any success with him and even they claim that trickster isn't that good and needs some QOL minor improvements. Chances are, your not playing vs top 1% trickster players and that your losses are survivor skill issue.
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Trickster is the most difficult killer to master and requires the most skill, only those who have been honing their skills for years without giving up can unlock their full potential.
I don't understand why it's called easy, a good Trickster main is a hero.0 -
Sorry but Doctor is the most annoying killer in the game. Trickster is minor hindrance compared to Doctor.
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I wish I had teammates that had 130 iq and I wish every map has a bunch of tall objects to stop the trickster from shooting at me. So what you just said as counter to him is coordinated survivor friends and luck. This is not at all a counter if you must rely on stuff completely outside your control. AND YES I have not played him lol dont worry I will at some point just to prove to myself how easy it is to spam knives or force m1 hits :D when I get the iri shards for it.
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Okay my dude since I am so wrong I guess I won't play against him at all. Everyone else can enjoy playing against the unbalanced killers in my book and they are at this point literally just Trickster, Singularity and that is kind of it GUESS WHAT THEY GOT IN COMMON they both spam their power until they get a hit how fun is taht.Nurse is not counted cause she was made to be powerful.
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I think the description fits huntress but definitely not Trickster. Dont worry though I won't be playing agaisnt trickster ever again anyways. Every game against him will be me not dealing with him at all. Screw powers that force the killer to spam until he gets free hit.
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Also thanks for reminding me he had a secondary power that lets him spam knives infinitely and throwing them faster. Which makes hook camping overpowered for him if someone tries to save he will get his infinite knives and he gets to down 2 people very cool stuff
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The doctor's power has enough limitations to not be broken. You can hide in a locker to avoid his blast. His shocking has a delay when he lets it out so you got a chance to dodge if he has the idea to block you somewhere. He is an m1 killer too not like trickster who got knives to shoot you with and his built in slowdown is skill checks being a bit more difficult. And if he wants to make the skillchecks difficult even more he has to sarcifice a lot of perk slots. But yeah he can be annoying but he is overall balanced. His power is in check thankfully
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BHVR made Trickster easier to pick up with the removal of the recoil, but you still need a decent aim to be effective in chase.
I would say he is medium difficulty now (pre-rework he was hard).
I think you do the common mistake by mixing "easy to play" and "hard to play against".
And in that regard, maybe you are personally not comfortable to play against this killer.
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His main event is situational and not as good as it use to be. Hes also slowed down significantly.
May I remind you huntress can do the same thing but better?1 -
Man I wish this was true, but when I play trickster, the Survivors break off my butt and hand it back to me.
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Huntress is another killer I wonder why they buffed her hatches to hold 7 instead of 5 considering she was already balanced and good killer but yeah you are right she can do camping better!
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I already said that the problem was they made a killer with no actual counter other than hoping you can outrun him on a loop while he now has 4.6 m speed. The problem is he is just a spammer and nothing more. Do you see many killers who got the ability to spam till they down someone? Only he got that and singularity who can spam cameras every 3 seconds if he wants to.
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You probably got either too high mmr survivors or you got swf probably.
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Trickster is not the killer with the least counter plays. Plus I don't know what is the matter with the spammy stuff.
Singularity spams, Huntress spams Hatchets, Sadako spams… That's just the nature of the projectile based or teleport killers.
The only suggestion I see for Trickster is to reduce massively his fire rate and the blade requirement to injure survivors.
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Huntress cant really spam you can dodge her and gain distance that is how it works. Honestly they made her like this with that dumb update to give her even more hatchets as if 5 is not enough for one chase. Yeah sadako indeed can spam it. I already said singularity is another killer that can spam the ######### out of his power without consequence which is unfair in my book since you can use one emp and then pray. I dont know what can be done about sadako but at least singularity can have an emp being used 2 times since he can instantly palce new camera to slipstream you.
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He does suck to play against. There are a handful of killers in the same boat as him though. Pyramid head is the same story, he just 50/50s you until you eventually die regardless of skill on either side he just guessed right. Trickster, likewise, doesnt get his downs by outplaying his opponent. Just following them around with knives until the surv eventually dies.
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Most new killer buffs have removed killer/survivor interactivity and focused on making chases really binary, Less room for error like Singularities which is outright ######### mind numbing to go against, or nemesis which his tentacle CD is so fast now making him miss half the time barely feels rewarding.
I don't mind killers getting QoL, but I still feel our focus should be on the base game (stopping gen momentum/tunneling/Slugging). coz as it stands rn it's going more and more to victim gameplay with little to no interactivity.
The chase shouldn't be made unfun, it's the funnest part of the game.0 -
Thank God someone agrees. Honestly the reason I dont play survivor at all is because of this. We don't see anything new or exciting just the same chase sequence and if you got no ways to outplay the killer whats the point of even playing survivor.
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