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Im tired of waiting survs to leave the match...
Seriously, this is annoying…
I dont waste my time going to the gates to do nothing besides watching teabags, the devs must do something about it.
Survs complain about killers letting them to die on the floor but killers suffer the same thing EVERY SINGLE MATCH they dont kill at least 3.
A few solutions could be ONE of those:
1 - Alucard's shield baseline for all killers. (kinda fun for everyone)
2 - If a surv get hit inside the gate area the exit closes for that surv for 5s. (like the Houndmaster).
3 - Put an option to end the game for the killer to use, just like they can open the gates themselves.
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If they arent going to leave:
A) Force them out?
B) Force them out?
C) Force them out?
You know what survivors are tired of that we have no control over? Being slugged. Don't waste our time if you aren't going to hook us.30 -
Smack em out
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Somestimes that is annyoing for me aswell. What I do if that happens is to break some pallets/ walls…just don't go to the gate ( in many cases they will leave earlier then the last second because the get bored). Also sometimes i just use the time to go to the toilet / grab something to drink.
But hey an other solution is to just meme a lil bit with the survivors ( e.g moonwalk at the gate or something and force them out in a fun way)
Just try to not take it that seriously
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If the timer runs out, the survivors get sacrificed to the entity. If you let the survivors bleed out, it’s different.
If the gate gets blocked when you hit a survivor while running in the gate, how do you account for normal gameplay, where a killer tries to hit the survivor on the way out?
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Just force them leave and get your free hits. That's not big deal at all.
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Force them out if you can't do anything about that. Or simply join them in doing silly things.
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Imo its fine that you need to force the survivor out. It can be annoying, but other options could hinder the normal gameplay.
@joeyspeehole youre wrong. Slugging and waiting to leave is pretty similar. If you wait for some minutes, its over and both are annoying. Yh you can end it easier as killer, but if survivor want they can just wait hidden next to the exit.
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that's what they want lol.
People are not waiting at the gates just for the sake of just standing there to actually do something, they are waiting for killer to come and watch them leave. And they are completely ready to waste almost whole duration of EGC by standing and doing nothing (eventually only spamming fast vaults to attract killer's attention) for that goal if killer just doesn't want to give them that satisfaction.
I understand resetting and preparing for a save during EGC, i would do that always as survivor, but staying just for this purpose is nothing but a jerk move.
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Well, let them stand there at the exit gate all day if that's what they want. They are wasting their own time too, and for nothing if you never show up to watch them leave.
Go around the map, break any walls you can find, any dropped pallet that's still lying around, or just find a nice, comfy spot to afk in until the timer is up.2 -
No, you cannot really compare those.
First of all, waiting for a Survivor to leave takes half the time it takes for a Survivor to bleed out. Then the Killer can still gain BPs when they wait by kicking dropped Pallets, Breakable Walls or using their power. A Survivor cannot gain any BPs after recovering as much as possible. And then the Killer has an option to make the Survivors leave - by going to the Exit Gate. The Survivor has no option to speed up their bleed out.
Not saying that it is not annoying that Survivors do that. I dont do it myself and I also dont like it that others are doing it. But there are actual options what I can do as Killer when Survivors are waiting at the Exit Gate.
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Yh thats why i said they need to hide next to the exit gate to make it more similar.
I guess, earning little bp is a viable activity for some, but i dont see the point in it.
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Your problem on that point is that survivors never left quick as long as I play (roughly 21), they almost always stay in the gate to taunt the killer especially with dh. It's literally so normal that survivors don't leave instantly and dh out of the game, that I mindgame dh when they want to give me a hit lol.
That was way before slugging was such a big thing, especially entire bleedouts.
Well but I agree forcing them out is the fastest and least annoying way for now.
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It's always funny how survivors wasting time gets defended. Neither side should be intentionally prolonging the game just to BM.
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There are several viable options to fix the issue:
- Reduce the EGC timer (or speed it up as soon as all remaining survivors are within the gates, so they have no choice but to leave unless they want to get devoured by the Entity).
- Remove the ability to 99% exit gates — make them regress as soon as survivor stops interacting with them.
- Generate new objectives for the Killer — like interacting with glyphs — to occupy their time and let them comfortably ignore the tbaggers at the exit gate.
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Houndmaster Is the best killer to sort these morons out. If snug catches you at the exit gate, even if you are at full health, you're dead.
That's what keeps me so addicted to this killer, each gate kill is more satisfying that the last lol
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Stop having a frail ego and whack them out. It is you who is wasting your own time, dont you want exta bp? As other says slugged survivors cannot do nothing but exit gate bagging can be dealt with.
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This is a weird response since literally none of this discussion, at all, is defending these actions.
You're correct that BM shouldn't be a thing.
But this entire discussion is whether or not killers should have additional base kit tools to deal with this issue, and the answer generally is no, that's not necessary with the base kit options already in place.
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I used to be the same way bro, not wanting to give survivors the satisfaction. Just go over there and force them out. You become numb to the teabags at some point. If you like BP, at least you get a little extra by giving them a whack on the butt before they leave.
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As others have said, forcing them out is always an option.
It depends on the Killer, but I'll either find somewhere to practice my power if I don't feel like getting bagged at today (like a neat structure where I can vault a bunch of windows as Legion) or I'll go to the gate to see if I can get at least one of them for a funny you should have just left moment. Deathslinger is quite a good choice for this.
It also helps to remind yourself that a lot of the player base are barely out of their teens and they act like it. It still kinda stinks, but eventually you just don't care about this sort of thing.
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Survivors staying in a gate is at max an extra 10 seconds? Killers slugging at 5 gens and leaving you on the ground to bleed out is 4 minutes. They are not the same.
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You have control over both situations.
You can push them out if they want to taunt you.
You decide when to hook them if they're slugged.
I know it's annoying to get taunted, but then again, why do you care that some nobody losers are being twerps? Don't join their ranks, be better than these numbskulls. Kicking them out shouldn't take long at all.
If it's humiliation you dread, then all I can say is: Get better.
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Exhibit: M
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEpgKS1I2ix/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
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Sound like a you problem.
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While I don't take issue with this like the OP does I'm not a big fan of the "force them out" retort. They want you to do that just so you can see their butt dance. I won't give them the satisfaction. I'm quite happy to walk around letting them waste time doing their dancing that I'll never see.
It would be funny if there was a "yeet action" If all survivors are in the exit area the killer can press a button an all survivors get flung out the exit.
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Wasted time is wasted time. IF it's fine for survivors to wait in exit game to bm the killer, then there isn't an issue with killers slugging and bming. As the game will end on it's own either way.
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Nobody said it is fine. Nobody here is defending it. All what was said is that the Killer has the solution to force the Survivors out. You are the only one who is pretending that someone said what you are saying.
BUT - if we look at threads about Killers slugging until bleedout, we suddenly see players with "But what about Survivors waiting at the Exit Gate?"… Strange.
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If the survivors are trying to waste the killer’s time, then they won’t be waiting at the exit gates. They will be hiding somewhere else on the map for most of the EGC, so that the killer can’t easily push them out of the game.
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Remember to give the same advice to your child when they're bullied at school.
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I'd say the issue isn't not being able to do anything about it, or even the concept of staying the game in and of itself, but rather Killer players having to either sit there and waste their time, or be forced to partake in a humiliation ritual. Not great.
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"Humiliation Ritual"… It is just some people pressing a Button. Nothing more. If you get mad about this, this is on you. And personally as Killer I would rather let them teabag me at the Exit than having to wait for 2 minutes.
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This.
As if anyone tries to compare the two.
Which is funny because as a killer you dont lose basic control of your character for 5 minutes. You still have it, but choose not to. So its even worse if you try to compare the two things.7 -
I'd argue it's similar to sticking up your middle finger, as in essence the same meaning is attached to both gestures, despite the gestures in and of themselves having no meaning. I personally don't really think your argument holds up here but I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
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Nobody said anything like this in here. Stop pretending something.
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I generally take this time to get my glyph challenges. I found very considerate the Kate that wanted to teabag me but ended up letting me get all my green glyphs.
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Not me.
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Bro its your own issue for not going to the exit gate to force them out, expecting them to just leave. There are things we can do to get points during end game collapses, it's on you for not finishing the game. But you choosing to slug someone for 4 minutes is toxic and wasting someones time.
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I mean, if someone decides to flip the bird in RL I would still see this as different then a random person on the internet I have seen in a game for 10 minutes and will most likely not even see again (or dont remember again) spamming the crouch-Button.
It is your decision to take it personal.
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You cant always force them out. Sometimes they are just hiding at endgame collapse wasting everyone's time. So that isnt always an option. Also from my experience I have downed a survivor only to have to go for another survivor trying to get the save.
The survivor crawls to another country away from their teammates and then complains about not getting hooked. This happens too often.
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It's your own issue if you don't alt tabbed out while slugged.
If you want to waste time, don't complain when you get your own time wasted.
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Look, now you're just inventing fantasy scenarios. Are the survivors at the exit gate or not? Because the premise of this entire thread is that they're standing in the open at the exit gate.
If they're anywhere else during EGC that's fantastic for the killer. You can get kills at any time of the game, so if they're screwing around nowhere near the exit you have a huge opportunity to turn that into a late kill.
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I would understand if they wanted to take hits for additional BP, but the kind that waits and just leave when you get nearby is annoying for sure.
When survivors manage to win against me, I usually just start to do things on second monitor. If they want to waste their time, they are free to do so.
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I’d say these aren’t really comparable since you can force the survivors out while survivors can’t force you to hook them or bleed out faster, but I would have no qualms with the killer being able to, say, go to the basement and start a prompt to “accept entity’s punishment” or whatever and force escape all survivors.
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Actually, EGC is half the duration of the bleedout bar and this forum is not survivor or killer sided. There are plenty of people with awful balance takes that main either side - just today we got a “remove checkspots” thread.
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Slugging has an actual purpose. Standing at the exit gates to waste the killer's time has no purpose and is just toxic behavior.
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Here you go lol, have fun
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3868343
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Yes, survivors standing in the exit gate is annoying and BM.
It's comparable to slugging, but there are reasons its not quite as bad.
1: Killer has a way to end it that also rewards BP
2: Time it can last is different
3: Survivors could just wait farther away from the gate if there was a push out mechanic.
4: While many solutions have been proposed for slugging for the 4k or forced bleedouts to BM (the easiest being a quickened bleedout / give up option), solutions to survivors standing in the exit gate are harder to come by. Example: I have never tbagged a killer, but I've been in situations standing in the exit gate, waiting to body block for a survivor, and the other survivors where just in the other gate waiting for me. Until all alive survivors are in the exit gate area, there's lots of reasons to remain in the exit gate that aren't BM.
For the solutions the OP offered:
1: Alucard's Shield - If every killer had some way to make the exit gates more interesting, I'd be all for it, but just basekit would be a pretty big buff. I'd definitely take it though but it would probably need to come with some larger balance changes.
2: Block the gates - this moves the goal post on the line the survivor need to be at. You also have a situation where the killer is going to catch the survivor by the gate, so the survivor stops farther away from the gate so that they can get hit and run to the gate without it blocking. You probably get way more BM there and still the same time waste.
3: Killer can end the game - I'd be fine with this. Something like 'if the gens have been powered and the killer stands still for 20 seconds, all the remaining survivors auto escape'. However, I don't think BHVR would ever do something like this as they always want the game to come to a conclusion with either an escape or a death.
Many people would also be annoyed because it makes archives harder.
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Look, now you're just making assumptions because you completely disagree with my personal experiences as a killer. Do I have an issue shoving them out the gate? No…Will they often just go and hide at EGC just to waste time…Yes. You cannot get a kill if they are playing hide and go seek tip toe through the fields.
Lets be real. As for the OG - just shove them out.
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Make it only work if they are hanging around the gate for some number of seconds. If a survivor is inside the gate for say 8 seconds, and gets hit by the killer, it should block the gate. This wouldn't impact normal gameplay, because it only takes you 3 seconds to leave from the entrance of the gate.
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pushes glasses up AcTUALLy.. Staying in the match longer gives you more blood points.
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