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It's time to stop slugging for good BHVR.
Survivors need base kit unbreakable after 60 seconds. Slugging is busted beyond belief in this game. Whether killers like it or not base kit unbreakable is the answer. It will force them to hook survivors as the game intends. BHVR please fix slugging asap.
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Without way more generous hook spawns, and nerfs to sabotage and pallet saves and flashbang saves, this would definitely not be balanced.
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Do you want a new killer strike, OP? Because this is how you get it
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60 seconds is more than generous amount of time to leave someone on the ground to get a nearby survivor. Let them strike. This broken mechanic needs fixed.
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For Killers who think there will be another killer Strike its already happening because Killers want the path of least resistance. Slugging works against all solo teams and it can grant you much easier wins. The ONLY downfall you will have to dedicate the entire build around it and does not work with SWF teams.
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Run lightborne if you hate flashlights. Lightborne is like meta now a days.
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…Or change Knockout. Make it so that killers get way more points for hooks instead of deaths. Maybe have a progression option for unbreakable like it starts when more than one person is slugged.
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Bloodpoints are pointless many killers have one goal to get a 4K as easily as possible.
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Ok, but only if all the killers get bs noed from the beginning of the match and now you can mori after 1 hook
sounds unfair? well this is no different from your topic3 -
If you want to remove slugging, remove flashlight/pallet saves and remove sabotages. That way killers can always immediately hook a survivor after a down.
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BHVR don't listen to these naysayers. Go watch a match and see for yourself how busted slugging is.
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There is a perk lightborne that negates ALL light saves. What do survivors have against slugging? 1 perk unbreakable that saves you ONCE. You tell me what sounds fair.
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Survivors have other perks besides unbreakable such as Boon: Exponential and Soul Guard. Also Lightborn doesn't negate pallet saves or sabotages whereas Unbreakable aids against slugging due to the faster recovery and 1 time pick up.
If you want slugging to not be a thing in the game, then you also need to address the killer's ability to hook survivors as it would be unfair to force killers into situations where they cannot hook the survivor they just downed so they are forced to be punished.
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Boons are worthless as killers can snuff them in a second and soul guard isn't good either as you have to be hexed. Either we need base kit unbreakable 60 seconds or we need to start talking unbreakable buff to more than a one time thing getting up.
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Again, if you want to remove slugging then you need to remove the ability for survivors to prevent hooks.
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Plenty of hooks on the map….all you do is look for the crouch and go to another….it's not hard.
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It will force them to hook survivors as the game intendsCool, so are we getting rid of Hook Sabos? If so, then I'm all for it. However, slugging IS the counterplay to Hook Sabos. So if you're going to get rid of one, you need to get rid of both.
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Again plenty of hooks on the map…sabos usually get themselves killed anyways. But the thing is it don't take full 60 seconds to hook them all. Base kit unbreakable or a buff to unbreakable is the answer. There is nothing fair about having to repair 5 generators which each take 90 seconds to do for a killer to down 4 survivors consecutively in a matter of minutes and instant win.
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Again plenty of hooks on the map…sabos usually get themselves killed anywaysI'm not saying this to be crude or rude, but this sounds like someone that either doesn't play much killer, or plays in lower MMRs. Anyone that plays killer on even descent MMRs has encountered "Sabo Squads". Plenty hooks on the map when they play 4 Petrified Oaks, running Breakout?
Sorry, but your response has convinced me that your request has nothing to do with actual balance, and more about you wanting to get rid of something you just don't enjoy.3 -
ok,give killers basekit remote hook then👍️
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Stop projecting there buddy. I kill sabos all the time. It's easy. You're not supposed to beat a coordinated team easily you know?
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Slugging completely bypasses the hook state chances survivors get to complete 5 generators which take 90 seconds sometimes longer with perks to complete.
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Stop projecting there buddy. I kill sabos all the time. It's easy. You're not supposed to beat a coordinated team easily you know?First, your contradicting yourself. First you say, its easy because there's plenty of hooks. Then you say it's not supposed to be easy. So which one is it? Second, I didn't project anything. I stated an opinion based on the fact that your suggestion is completely one sided, with seemingly no concern for the other side. That goes against the very concept of balance.
Regardless, I've made my opinion clear. We can agree to disagree.
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Slugging isnt this bad because of those things you mentioned. And everyone knows this. So stop pretending something.
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Clearly you are a beginner if you don't know sabo squads basically suicide themselves taking away hooks. lol Also I stand by what I say. There are multiple ways to deal with sabo squads. Go to the many other hooks in the map when you see the kneel or just whack them. They lose more than they gain. But it don't take 60 seconds to down them and hook them all. Get good.
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if you think sabotage is a bad strategy why are you against removing it for also removing slugging?
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Because I don't want them to remove sabos. If they want to suicide saving someone carried easier game for me.
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Folks look at the discussions here. Nobody thinks slugging is fair to survivors. The ones who think its fine are killer mains wanting the game to stay killer sided. You're in the minority if you think bypassing hook states is fair.
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Then they shouldn't remove slugging, because you can't remove slugging and still give survivors the option to deny hooks.
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You don't understand what you're talking about.
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Yes because 4 downs for an instant win is fair when survivors have 5 gens to work on. lol Take ghost face for example 3 people working on a gen oops all exposed and down. Oh look lets slug the last survivor! Oh look game over in 2 minutes. lol
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Ghostface is one of the worst killers in the game. If you're losing to a Ghostface 4 man slugging, you have bigger issues.
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Only time i slug is when i see a hook offering to distance them, Then i think to myself, what an oxymoron , they dont want to be slugged but they are begging for it.
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Yes an issue with broken mechanics. Slugging.
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Again if a purely M1 killer is 4 man slugging without survivors ever resetting, the issue isn't the killer.
All it takes is for a survivor to bring Ghostface on a chase longer than the expose duration and other survivors can pick up the slugs and still progress on gens.
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Doesn't need anything else but m1 when he can insta down you immediately plus he has stealth and surprise. You say ghost face is a low ranked killer yet every other match is a ghost face and there are many who main him.
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Ghostface according to Nightlight only beats Trickster and Good Guy in Kill Rate. He's not good even if he sees decent usage.
https://nightlight.gg/killers/viewer?shown=pick%7Ckill%7Cdist&sort=kill&start_days=28
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Let's nerf Knock Out while were at it. Make it reveal aura after 15/25/35 seconds than being permeant.
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Sabo squads are not working on generators. FYI
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The thing is they tried this already. When they had it in a PTB, people found ways to create situations where the Killer was forced to, that is actually had no choice, but to slug in areas that they couldn't hook from. Survivors would find places on the map where there weren't many or any hooks, or where finding a hook was very hard - like upstairs areas - then sit there. The Killer would be forced to slug them, leave, and of course they would then get their free unlimited Unbreakable and get up again.
It was too abuseable. Basekit Unbreakable can't be the proper solution, not unless it is limited to one use only and ONLY if most of the Survivors still in the match are actually being slugged this way. It's not fair to punish Killers using a down as pressure as if they were the same as a toxic Billy slugging everyone at five gens and humping them on the ground.
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Exactly. Lol He/she fails to comprehend that.
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ngl i would love a way to get unbreakable basekit because it is beyond boring and annoying to be on the ground consistently over n over again
yes killers like twins exists and yes killers are allowed to slug, but needing slug for someone for a minute is beyond unreasonable
if they would've keept the WGLF buffs, i wouldnt want that, but since they didnt (and overall not really effective)
killers bleeding survivors isnt a problem in the dev's eyes so its very unlikely they will do anything related to this unless the team changes (which takes years which by that point dbd probably ran its course or we get dbd 2)1 -
What works well against solo Q for the slugging is Knock Out.
The aura hiding distance should have a 15 seconds duration like the low recovery/crawling speed instead of being permanently hidden 16 meters afar.
Unbreakable already counters heavy sluggers.
If your solo Q team group up on gens yeah you give a free snowball situation for the killer.
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Thats what literally every survivor whine thread is for lol, they don't want balance they want easy wins
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I mean, I'm not opposed to a change. There has to be a way to balance slugging as counterplay, and just slugging everyone and watching them bleed out. In truth, once the whole team is slugged, you've lost the match. So having a way to bleed out faster seems more appropriate for that situation, then just handing out more chances.
That said, if they were going to add unbreakable as basekit, I would it to look something like this
- All survivors gain one free use of Unbreakable, usable after being slugged for 30 seconds (not 60). However, once a survivor uses this ability, Hook Sabotage are disabled for the team for the duration of the trial. If a character is running the Unbreakable perk, this version is used first.
I would be totally fine with this iteration. Survivors get a second chance if the entire team is slugged, but it does have a cost. That cost make it less abusable by Sabo Squads and bullies. I'm sure there are other ideas too, but it needs to be more than just a one-way free chance for one side.
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If we implement it we should get rid of all other perks that allow you to pick yourself up faster. No unbreakable, no exponential, notenacity. No mither can stay.
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They tried it in the worst way possible. Unbreakable was overpowered beyond belief. There just shouldn't be any perk outside of no mither that allows you to pick yourself up faster if we implement basekit unbreakable.
They should try it again but make it much weaker3 -
Maybe I'm just really lucky but in 6 years only had about 5 games were 4 people down at once an some of those were cheaters an other times every person on the team messed up. Had killers attempt it but one smart play from a survivor an their pressure is undone an they sometimes dc lol
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Hey that's fine with me. Whatever gets rid of slugging.
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I'm interested in seeing how you'd make it weaker, any idea?
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Getting rid of their current effects
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