Killer behaviour is appalling during events

Thats because the opinion that slugging is the problem is not correct. Slugging is fundamentally very similar to being hooked. Nearly identical really. Slugged survivors dont die in 3 downs and can move around. They still need someone to pick them up though just like a survivor needs someone to unhook them. So if the 2 things are so similar then what is it exactly about slugging that people dont like? Lets identify that problem and try to get that fixed instead of calling the entire mechanic bad. That is the opinion I have, and is exactly why I pushed some ideas for fixes to what I feel is the real underlying problem.

I am unhappy because I feel that the other person was engaging in bad faith which is why I am responding to you. Our opinions on the matter are not ones we are likely to be in complete agreement on and that's fine. Whats important is that you are not trying to push for something specifically because it will lead to an extremely favorable game state for the side you play, and instead are being honest, which is something I do appreciate. I can see right through a lot of BS and dont really enjoy wasting my time trying to explain things or argue with someone who has no interest in really being honest about what is being discussed. If people want to have a discussion and try to find real solutions to things that actually are sore spots or flat out problems then I will engage with those people in earnest.

Well, perhaps I should start by explaining my stance on slugging. I don't think it should be deleted from the game or eradicated by any means. I think it is an important tool, and it is a counter. It's a counter to flashlights and sabo. And because I'm not a fan of counters being perk dependent, I think slugging being a base-kit counter is a good thing, just like endurance off hook. So it sounds like we're in agreement that the entire mechanic is not bad. That being said, I do believe like any tool in the game it has the potential to be abused. I do have my own personal thoughts on a potential solution, as I'm sure you may, as well as many others.

But I do understand your overall point, and I do agree. It's difficult for many people to have discussions in regards to balance without it turning into an echo chamber of somewhat mob mentality. And while it is tiring and can sometimes be pointless to engage in, i believe it does display the passion in which an individual or a group of individuals feel about something. Of course, that doesn't always mean it's correct, but sometimes the people that scream the loudest are the ones who feel like nobody is listening. And again, it doesn't mean it's correct, maybe nobody it's becaue people are listening that there is no response. Situations are complex like that, and it should all be case by case.

From all you've said above, I am mostly in agreement. There's nothing really there that I disagree with except for maybe the opinion on slugging not being correct. Only because I believe that opinions are just that- opinions. And shouldn't be confused with fact. If someone has the opinion that something isn't fun, just because someone else thinks it is fun, doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Both are as right as they are wrong, the reasoning for having those opinions can stem from fact, but even then people cherry pick if the facts don't align with their opinion. I think the essence of what I perceive to be your point is what I agree with, however. And I apprecite your honesty and respectful tone in explaining your perspective.

Wow… thats a lot of games in a row for me lol. I can do maybe 3-4 solo'Q before Im just done lol. Quite envious tbh, but not of your matches. Chin up, champ!

I have found the more party members I have and on coms with, the more fun the game gets. I literally lose aspects of the game that comes with Solo'Q such as no hookicides, someone hiding in a corner all game (Not really an issue, but still a possibility!), overall new player, and more. They just get deleted as things that throw matches from the get go.

I got to thinking, and I think by design, good SWF's would naturally move up the MMR ladder. Killers will mow through new players, and generally start getting SWF's sprinkled in. Eventually, top killers get SWF's often since that's the challenge they need.

Like this… things make sense. Praise the Entity! Hmm..

Tbf a few bad solo queue games are enough to tilt me too even by playing once a week at best. I kinda kept going just to see how much worse it can get and I was definitely not disappointed. I had swfs to play with years ago but everyone quit (I did too for a few years). Killer gets boring.

How do you define tunneling?

• Directly off the hook
• After unhook, found working on a gen/ healing with another survivor(s) and the killer goes after you.
• Hooked twice in a row regardless of time.

A little late, but doesn't change my opinion. Its the same as in most threads. Good discussion to start, reasons then given for defense, the obligatory Vector types, and then it all devolves from there.

Nothing on you, good work on a great thread. But there is trash in every page that just pollutes the whole. Still, I engaged.

How do you define engagement?

• Posting anything
• Communicating with another user(s)?
• /s lol. Just thought it was a fun poke

Hermit and Nomade had a good back and forth. It was a good read tbh. But I didn't want to engage with them as it was already going swimmingly and I was enjoying it.

To get to it now, the reason I call it '8 pages of garbage' is the fact you named the thread what it is. Because you're right. And the very fact you even had to make it, and getting 8 pages on it already, shows the passion, but also relevancy of it. Its sad this is the state of the game.

It wasn't an insult to be hurled at anyone, especially you. Its just… 8 pages of thoughts on how the games events are all just miserable now, with a few trying ridiculous BS to justify. But hey, its not anyone's responsibility for anyone else's fun, so here's to more trashed events to come!

Your sarcasm detector is broken, you need a new one.

The correct statement is "player behavior". It's not just killers.

I will agree on the first point - but the answer is a shorter bleed out time, and ONLY a shorter bleed out time. Not a base kit 2nd chance, which is where people automatically try to take these things.

Let's also not pretend that the OP didn't post screenshots of, to be honest, 4 survivors being slugged with absolutely ZERO context. All we know is that it was pretty late in the game. What happened during that game? How did the survivors play? Were the SURVIVORS being boring? (yes, survivors can be boring). Was the killer just matching that energy? It's really easy to create a convenient narrative to make yourself look like a victim when you remove ALL context and events leading up to the pictures posted.

I would just stop. If you look at their post count, and history, all they ever do is live on these forums to talk about how survivors are victims and killers are the scum of the earth. Just don't engage.

Thats fine. You took my words and instead of bringing an argument yourself, you assumed something which I did not even say. So yeah… My disappointment that I will not hear your wisdom anymore is pretty limited.

I find it curious how they say "slugging happens quite frequently". I've been slugged once in like…40 games of survivor. And as soon as they slugged, they hooked everyone.

Sorry, you are talking nonsense. You know that this is holding the game hostage, even if they would not drag it out for the whole hour until the Server closes.

And this is what I mean with fabricated - you created a scenario which will not happen and whenever I try to debunk it, you come with another unreasonable take why your scenario would be valid. Really, stop it - Killer toxicity has more impact on the gameplay than Survivor toxicity, even if the latter is more frequent (which is logical, since you have 4 Survivors for 1 Killer in a game). And this is just a fact.