Yes, this. As I mentioned in another thread, I was with a streamer and we had 5 in our lobby, so with a single exception where we got lucky to pull in a 3-stack SWF, EVERY. SINGLE. MATCH. WAS. WITH. TWO. BOTS. It was miserable for all the reasons @CakeDuty mentions, and in the end as soon as the streamer was done with her 2v8 challenges (which we didn't realize don't have to even be done in 2v8 until she only had 3 left, so we just toughed it out) she went back to normal lobbies, and there she will stay until next week, this time only for the 1 or two mandatory challenges.

Also very first game this happened. Like, this disgusts me in normal games but… to see two killers doing this? No, seriously this needs to be a reportable bannable offense.

To be fair, I believe the Dev's are trying to make the game more fun for survivors. Adding more classes, maps, and items to use in the trials. Its not a perfect system they have going but effort is being made.

Bots use to be good. They need to be worked on. Legion also sucks I agree. Hes so boring.

I dont care about all the crap listed by op. None of that would help with anything anyways.
But is very obvious to me that bots arent seeming to help the ques. I dont know what the set time for matchmaking to be opened wider for the killer but its still way too long.

I have been timing my que times. Almost ever time I got a lobby or was forced to re-que (happened 2 out of 5 ques) it took almost exactly 00:14:00 minutes. Every match had 2 bots.
The ques are just as long for killer but we have to play with bots, which isnt fun for either side.
56 minutes of ques for 3 matches is not acceptable.

Its hard to believe there is that many ppl queing for killer over survivor. in a ideal world it would be 4 survivors for every 1 killer.

I request for BHVR to release the data on how many ppl are quing for what role within a 30 minute time frame of their highest traffic for a day for one region. Just so we can be sure we are not getting gaslight by the devs like we have been a lot lately with their "bug fixs" saying they fixed things but are still very much in the game.

I think something that would significantly improve the bot experience is if they like take hits for you and try to more aggressively pallet save.

I had a bot who walked over and teabagged while I was healing somebody. There was another one that was like walking against my butt instead of walking around to the other side to go heal the person.

Just like in 1v4 I hate that bots just leave while you are alive and on the hook. They also run away way earlier than most real players would. Apparently they do herbs as well. Or even just that they open chests. Why do the bots have escaping as their highest priority? Instead of, y'know letting the real players escape.

An alternative to the bots would be something like unlocking an outfit with rift challenges on the survivor side plus a huge bp bonus to incentivize more survivor play. Adding glitchy bots who regularly get stuck in animation and automatically leave end game is not the solution. 2v8 was my favorite mode but if things continue like this I dont see me playing beyond finishing the rift.

People want to hold bots at a higher standard than human players, and want the bots to be 100% altruistic and play 100% for the benefit of the human players.

We've had many forum discussions regarding selfish lone wolf human survivors, and people will defend that because "players should be able to play the game however they want". But if bots try to have any sort of self-preservation or any selfish behavior at all, it's considered a major sin.

Whenever a bot outlives a human survivor, there will be bad feelings.

I 100 percent agree with this. Also, I would add that bots should start off with flashlights.

One healthy bot ran past me yesterday as I was on hook about to go second stage, to unhook someone who'd just been freshly hooked first time. Then, made that unhooked person come and get me. I was about a stones throw away from them.

If 2v8 comes back after this, 2 roles on survivor that should be instant includes are a boon class and a “survivalist” class that lets you craft flashbangs, smoke bombs, and chem traps. The herbs were a decent touch given the theme of the mode, but flashbang is one of the most popular surv perks and I’m not sure why there isn’t a class that lets you craft them. It fits with the chaotic nature of this mode as well as smoke bombs and chem traps.

I also think the bp incentives should be raised higher for surv or give iri shard incentives. I still don’t understand why bhvr is so stingy with bps given the enormous content grind in the game. If you’re not gonna decrease the grind the least that could be done is alleviating it some through this mode. Minimum 500% modifier and/or also allow bloodpoint offerings and the ability to earn pips.

also add a priority queue. For every 5-7 games of surv you play, you get placed at the front of the killer queue on the other side. There are lots of real world examples on effectively fixes for wait times. Not trying to pile on but bots were the worst solution and in my mind the fact that bhvr is asking for feedback about the bot experience in 2v8 and it’s the same reasons given when they announced bots being added means to me that bhvr just did what they wanted to and didn’t actually consult with people that play game. Because it wasn’t hard to see that these complaints would pop up.

Strongly disagree. It's the most fun the game has ever been for me and the most popular thing they've ever added. I will take it over solo queue 1v4 any day and I've pretty much stopped playing survivor except for when 2v8 is active for that reason.

Things like survivor variety can be worked on over time and I feel like this is an extreme overreaction calling it damaging to the game. What we saw initially was queues normalizing after it was in the game long enough and finding killer matches became viable. IMO the only thing it needs is more content (classes and killers, unique gameplay things like herbs) and to get rid of the bots and I'll pick over 1v4 forever. Game has needed a casual mode like this for so long, it's the healthiest thing they could have added.

A much better approach would have been to implement the survivor role changes and leave it at that (maybe improve the survivor incentive rewards a bit more as well). Instead, they plowed forward with a disastrous change that everyone said was going to be disastrous, and unsurprisingly it has been a disaster.

I don't really like the bots either. When you try to pull another survivor out of a cage, if they stand behind you, they block your ability to grab them out. They also have canceled out other of my actions when they perform an action themselves or when they are too close. Such as healing, or vaulting. It has been very frustrating