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What are your thoughts on playing AGAINST Legion in 2v8?

I'm finding them very oppressive, there isn't much you can do while they keep frenzying, gens can't get done, the match gets prolonged, especially as they get faster towards the 8th hit, they are making me really dislike playing 2v8 currently ESPECIALLY with how trash the servers hit validation/desync is.

I've played as them a few times also and I just think the information and pressure they bring is just too much for this mode in the sense of a support esque killer class and needs toned down.

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  • Member Posts: 1,567

    No it's fine, your opinion is fine. I'm asking coz I feel it needs to be discussed, what can be made better for them etc

  • Member Posts: 461

    With medic class he is honestly pretty easy to counter, but without it he is insane.

    Honestly haven't seen people struggle to heal against em so I think they're fine

  • Member Posts: 1,567
    edited February 14

    Looping doesn't matter when the servers are toasters, you get hit from so far away, so trading at a pallet is impossible to stop their power, especially when they have the higher movement speed.

    Thats assuming everyone has picked medic, and will let you heal them, that and bots.

    I do feel like they are a huge reason people dont want to play 2v8 rn ontop of the bots.

  • Member Posts: 860

    So far it hasn't been too bad, but this is mostly because the SBMM seems to be non-existent in this mode and I get matched against turbo noobs all the time. Still, even bad Legions are annoying, but I'm counting my blessings.

  • Member Posts: 898

    If hiding in lockers actually DID something then this wouldn't be a problem. Lockers should hide Killer Instinct…. I mean they do nothing else…

  • Member Posts: 898

    I expected that part tbh and don't mind it. Both Killers getting notified won't change.

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    We don't really mind them personally. Its pretty much the same as normal except we have to watch out for their partner and less counting (it aint likely having them get a down via frenzy).

  • Member Posts: 1,567
    edited February 14

    I think it's the increased terror radius allowing more Killer instincts to proc, maybe keep it base TR? IDK if KI is still tied to TR

    Yeah, when they play normally and go for downs after pressures I dont mind, but when they are constantly using power only and constantly forcing mending its abysmal.

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    Well they are helping they're mate via tracking and injuring and you can technically try and for them via pallet to face. Considering the mend time is so short, we really don't feel anything about it. Adding on they can go for 7 other survivors after a hit, if your number 1 its the same as if legion stabbed you first in a normal match. shrug we just don't get the hate

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    Believe us, we've been playing a lot of survivor since the wait is painful to us (additonaly, we can invite more friends to the chaos with 8 slots when they're on). So we're confused here:

    You mend, you allow them to continue chaining their power and they go REALLY fast in 2v8 with herbs/classes/more than 4 chained, you will be mending before long and 7 other survivors to keep track of its not easy to keep away from others.

    Its literally like playing legion in normals, why mend immediately? Also its counting up to 8 at best (we've yet to see a legion pull off that chain without survivors practically letting them) or keeping a eye on the hud till you can guess when they're actually chasing. Its not rocket science. If they're using their power on injured then thats less threat from the duo as well. We again just don't get the hate.

  • Member Posts: 1,567

    Okay, I just can't see how someone would think all of it is okay? Maybe you havn't played against a good duo using it yet.

    If you dont mend immediatley you aren't doing gens is what I'm saying, I can't control others who allow the chain to keep going, I only have so much time on a generator if that makes sense before i have to run around in circles and stall. they kick the gen and keep going its a vicious cycle, and the other killer stops you from doing the gen, if you are too aggressive.

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    We have. Its just like HeroLives above, its just our own opinion but unlike them we don't really get why the almost skullmerchant eques hate they're getting. To us they're as annoying as they are in 1v4 or possibly less for the reasons we stated.

    You can do gens while deep wounded, you just have to eventually fix yourself but thats beside the point. From what we're understanding (which could be wrong) you dislike that they keep coming back after they stab a teammate after you mend?

    I can't control others who allow the chain to keep going, I only have so much time on a generator if that makes sense before i have to run around in circles and stall.

    The chain continuing is basically an extreme version of normal 1v4 legion. In solos you have no control whether or not your team gets hit. The second half to us thats basically just any killer coming back to us/happening upon us. Legion, Billy, Blight, Wraith, its like them hitting you, going off and smacking others then coming back/to the gen you happened at. They kick the gen your teammates may or may not be there to stop the regression, same as normals except that its more likely you do have a teammate there. The part we'd understand that would frustrate people is if the second killer came with them to 2v1 you…but thats an inherent part of 2v8 not anything special with legion. Im sorry but none of us really get what the special hate is.

  • Member Posts: 1,567

    If you don't get the hate, then you aren't listening at all and thats okay, you've voiced your opinion I tried to make you listen and your just ignoring how people feel, that's not on me at this point. I hope you get legion every game on RPD for the remainder since you enjoy it so much <3

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    Welp, we we're being nice about it but we see your going to go down that road. We are reading what you typed and you've been pretty much been explaining a typical match with legion. NarkoTri1er above is pretty much explaining typical legion matches to us. Whats different here other than more people and another killer? What is legion specifically adding that new to them making them become more hated? There 2 things that we can think of, the first being that this is the same hate as 1v4 and everyones just being more whiny and the second is the ChurchofPig above is correct in their guess.

  • Member Posts: 1,567
    edited February 14

    their strength isn't in them themselves but what they bring to a duo, and I'm just over listening to someone who doesn't care or listen to what's annoying about it. So just stop. Enjoy RPD Legion/S tier killer as I said. I hope you get it enough that you FINALLY understand why the casual playerbase hate it so much.

    When I play Legion I'm never out of my power in 2v8, that's not normal, I'm getting so much value from it its insane, its very easy to use with little punishment, it feels AWFUL to go against. Like you're not even respecting my opinion, so why should I respect someone who comes across as mocking me RPing their opinion while shooting mine down in flames when it's how I feel. lol

  • Member Posts: 1,171

    Legion are fine imho. Facing them in 2V8 doesn't feel any different to facing them in 1V4 to me, except this time they might be paired with a Killer with an oppressive chase power able to pick off injured Survivors. Wraith can do much the same thing as a support Killer (although he also has the power to finish off chases as well).

    I find it weird that people are complaining about Legion when you could be facing off against any combination of Blight / Nurse / Spirit / Wesker or Billy. I had a Blight and Nurse combo yesterday. I'm sure you can imagine how that went (yes, we all died very quickly).

    Spirit is probably my least favourite in 2V8 (and 1V4), since she has absolutely no counter play at all if you play without headphones (you can pick the Scout class, I guess that helps a little). She goes invisible, you throw the pallet and hope you're on the right side of it or else you die. Fun.

    The good thing about Legion is that they're less likely to adopt the double teaming strategy that I find so frustrating to go against. Sure, they'll sometimes team up with the other Killer because their power alerts their partner to where the action is, but they'll usually be zooming about the map applying pressure to gens and won't want to stick around for too long.

    As a Legion main, I will admit to being a little biased here. After all, I know how much fun it is to have so many Survivors to chase after. 2V8 is Legion main heaven and it's such an adrenaline rush to pull off a down with your final Frenzy hit (I've only done this once so far). Why would I begrudge other Legion enjoyers of that kind of fun?

    I think playing as a Killer can sometimes make you less likely to hate facing them as a Survivor. I don't enjoy facing The Blight, but after trying him out I can at least say I now understand his appeal. It's fun to be a human pinball. I'll never buy him because I felt pretty sick after only 2 games, but I know why people play him and it's changed my perspective a little.

  • Member Posts: 1,567

    Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion, its cool to see people enjoy their addition, I just wish it was as fun to play against them as it is to play them. tying KI immunity to deep wounds is probably the main offender even in 1v4.

    I feel on their own as you say if you aren't co-ordinating, but I do still feel the annoying double team opinion can still happen much more often with Legion, their power is always beneficial to the other killer you get Killer instinct on Nurse for example for really annoying combos, or Wraith for a more casual version etc, or spirit.

    And since KI can apply to injured non deep wounded survivors too it's really easy to capitalise on legions power, Spirit one of the main ones who can as matter of fact.

    So I understand, but one persons fun over 8 people, I just don't think it's worth it, legions combo hit rework made me quit maining them, I prefer'd their old addons for punishing SWF's etc, and to see them what feels rushed into 2v8 with this same system encouraging slowing the entire game down, it's awful.

    I think them losing their terror radius increase for more KI and maybe even a longer cd, or punishing hitting repeat people/giving said people immunity to KI within a short period of time, just tweaks to their power is what we need in some regard.

    As it stands rn, they are very unhealthy for 2v8.

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    And then thats the problem with legion? Their teammate? Not legion themselves? We got another question then. Lets say a good blight injured you and left you to go murder someone else. What would you do? Would you go looking for someone to heal you? Would you use a medkit you had on hand to self care? Would you do a gen while injured? Depends on the situation right? Same thing. Sometimes your gonna need to work injured against a good bleet, huntress, crow, whatever and need to be more cautious (in 2v8s that usually means lockers or booking it at first sign of trouble). If the partner was super good then you were going down anyways and legion just speed it up by smacking you and running off just like if a wraith smacked you and ran off.

    Lets move the scene. Say that in this 2v8 theres a good (skill wise) huntress and spirit. This spirit has been going for hit and runs rapidly, bouncing all over the map just hurting people with an occasional down. Huntress meanwhile cleans up the injured via hatchet applied to face. Switch out spirit for legion and theres little practical difference from our point of view (atleast if the huntress in this scenario is part of the duo or is paying enough attention).

    [Apologies if we sound snappy. Having our civility being spited irked some of us]

  • Member Posts: 2,117
    edited February 14

    They are difficult to play against.

    The general rule should be to not heal and waste time, yet in every match, people heal so much that I’m the only one doing gens.

    I feel like they should make it so mending times are really fast, or just remove Deep Wound from their kit (but still make it so they have to go to other survivors for chain hits), and buff them a bit more (a bit longer Frenzy duration, smaller cooldown, etc.)

  • Member Posts: 2,302

    We weren't disrespecting it either. We made a statement saying we don't get it and have explained why we don't. The rudest thing we did was calling saying counting to 8 isn't rocket science. If we came across as overtly rude before we're sorry for that but they are literally just bringing themselves [we're distinctly less civil now so we're less sorry for this]. Wraith can do much the same as legion can as a support.

  • Member Posts: 1,725

    Oni and Legion would be an insane duo—I do not think they should coexist.

    I would like to see Oni in 2v8.

    Therefore, lets remove Legion from 2v8.

    End of discussion. :)

  • Member Posts: 5

    I would never have guessed that Ermac played DBD during their downtime when they're not competing in Mortal Kombat. That's awesome.

  • Member Posts: 2,933

    Honestly I feel like Legion fits in pretty well with the semi-controlled chaos of 2v8, especially with Medics in play

    Run fast, injure fast, but also recover from Deep Wound fast and heal back up fast


    I will say though, the Killer Instinct detection range could be smaller, being seen across the map by a Killer moving at like 160% speed is pretty ridiculous

  • Member Posts: 2,251

    I haven’t had any personal issues playing against Legion. I usually just camp pallets and even if they get the hit, I still get the stun and knock them out of their power. It usually conditions them to ignore me the rest of the match. Sorry teammates!

  • Member Posts: 2,267

    Incredibly annoying, being injured is more of a problem in this mode and killers should earn it, whereas Legion by their design gets free injures and this is fine in a normal 1v4 as Legion has nothing else going for them after that free frenzy hit.

    But in this mode I think it is bordering on unfair and these are by far the most obnoxious matches that I really don't even want to play. PLEASE devs take Legion out

  • Member Posts: 10,418

    Well then people should pick medic. That class and the one with Sprint Burst/Windows base, and maybe 1-2 Scouts for rebuilding pallets, are the only classes people should be playing if they want to win.

    Without medic, just stay injured, because the time sink won't be worth it if you heal.

    People "struggle" against Legion because they're used to getting a free second chance in the form of being healthy. They take that for granted, and then accuse any killer it's smarter to stay injured against of being OP. But if Legion is doing his job correctly in this mode, he's barely ever chasing you to down you, unless you stun him out of his power, which is equally in your favor. So you're just playing injured as 8 survivors against 1.5 of a killer when it's supposed to be 2v8. That's why I think the crying about him is unnecessary.

  • Member Posts: 10,418

    It's that simple. People apparently say he's impossible to stun "if the player's good enough at Legion."

  • Member Posts: 676

    Legion is just as annoying as any other killer in this mode.

  • Member Posts: 1,402

    It mostly depends on how serious the killer players take the match, I find. - I haven't played much, but during the matches I have played, only few were try-harding, so it was alright-ish. Though, the matches where the killers were try-harding were absolutely miserable.

    Given the ping and general latency/lag issues in 2v8, the whole stun-Legion-thing doesn't really work - but well, like I said; most of them aren't taking it serious and if they and their partner are taking it seriously, an inability to stun Leg is kinda the least of your problems 😂

  • Member Posts: 9,444

    You can play like a bot and run away before they get close.

  • Member Posts: 11

    I thought he is very good until I faced a team that knew how to bodyblock on RPD and my power went out of the window :D

  • Member Posts: 1,567

    Ah yes let me tell the bots and random to switch to my liking, thats JUST how it works haha

  • Member Posts: 3,554

    He is too common I had him 5 matches a row with blight.

  • Member Posts: 1,567

    so I need to do about 10 mends before I can finish a gen, that's not long? if I'm not being downed/chased/hooked

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