are survivors on strike or something?

that’s messed up

I disagree with you there. The slugging change isn't killer sided at all. You may claim the killer wins faster now on a 4 man slug, so they are more likely to slug, but is that actually true?

No... its not, because the 4 man slug surrender change makes it no more effective than it already was (and its certainly not the easiest and most effective way to win as admitted by many of the lillers who do it). All it does is diminish the survivor side frustration. What does the killer get exactly? Less time to gloat over their win? That seems to be the opposite of a incentive to me.

Thats the thing - the Survivors gain nothing there. The last person being slugged has less time being slugged, sure, but the rest might still be on the ground for up to 4 minutes. And it does nothing to make slugging less strong (and it is REALLY strong currently) and it does not even prevent griefing. If anything, it gives griefers another Kick because Survivors surrender. And you cannot really argue that players who want to grief (and people who go for 4 man slugs usually want to grief) get a great feeling when Survivors surrender.

Heck, they dont even change Knockout in Phase 1, which is the most obvious culprit and a Perk which should not exist like that anymore.

Firstly these 2 players doomed this game for you, how am I as a objective bystander supposed to determine if game was winnable or not in this situation? It may well not have been, but how do you know for sure if this is what happened? This question is entirely what this change is meant to prevent.

Secondly what makes you think you'd be punished after 2 players already SoH and DCd? Why do you assume that isn't taken into account regarding your own decision to leave? Clearly you've been in teh game enough time for 2 other players to die/DC, so what makes you think the system would affect your decision to SoH in any way?

Oh come on. Nurse is an unabalanced design failure, you have little chance with 4 people to survive. Do you really think that 2 people can win against a Nurse? The game is already over when it is a 3v1 since realistically your Gen Progress will go to almost 0 at this point. With 2 it is impossible.

Second point… You dont know that. And neither do I, to be fair. But given their track record, they were not really effective with their measurements. From what we know they could even punish giving up to give another player the Chance to find the Hatch. With how killer-sided BHVR is since a few years, it would not surprise me.

I only answer to this, because you are once again misrepresenting what I wrote. You did that already in this Thread and I know that you did it in the past. This is what I wrote:

And my last point still stands - why should people be forced to play out games when they are already non-games from the start? I had a game against a Nurse a few days ago, one Hook Suicide and one DC pretty early in the game. Why should I have to stay in that game with the other Survivor, even if it is clear that we will not win and dont even have a chance of winning? Why do I have to play out a game as Killer when Survivors gave up or DCed, despite the game being not a Challenge anymore and therefore not fun at all?

I think I made it clear that the issue was not Nurse, but the two people giving up early. The DC happened basically when she blinked (so right at the start) and the Hook Suicide shortly after (probably also triggered by the DC, I cannot blame someone if they dont want to play with a Bot at 5 Gens).
EDIT: And THIS is the issue. Players should not feel like they cannot win and DC right away, leaving the rest of the players in a non-game.

I did not even bother reading the rest of your post since you once again start to write something completely different from what I have said. And I think this is really disrespectful. But luckily we dont have to engage here, so I would be fine if we just dont quote each other anymore.

Are there frustrating things in this game? Yeah, I don't think the game would be active without it. But I got to ask, what was frustrating about going against a pig? No boop? No snoot? WTH?

Then come up with a good solution, cause I cant even imagne bhvr to find a solution that doesnt make the game more frustrating for anyone that has an actual reason to go next.

yeah there’s a lot of newer players on the forum. Survivor and killer alike so well don’t take it too personal, they probably think pig is op.

It's a regular occurrence for me. The latest one, survivors had azarov offering, I had RPD. Auto haven was the map it selected. I tier up once with Myers and 2 survivors walk up to me, trying to feed me stalk, and clearly want to go next. They even had their map of choice and they still go next.

As I said many times some killers kit frustrates people regardless of how strong, weak or balanced they are. Pig is a walking gen slow down simulator and is the only killer that punishes survivors for their main objective.

Once one person down and gets trapped that is alot of easy pressure worst depending on the map. You now are at risk of killing yourself or teamate cause of rbt and most if not all of them tends to bring the most sweatfest build such as undying, plaything, face the darkness and devour hope with tunneling to boot. I personally prefer pinhead over her anyday.

Do you read peoples comment carefully? I see you tend not to as per your convo in another topic with ratcoffee. I am making a general comment, as what I said means that me personally will go next based on what I describe.

You make it sound going to a jigsaw box is an easy task specially on some maps. You still have to watch out and hope the pig does not attempt to tunnel which any stealth killer 95% of time proxy camps hooks anyways. Even if she doesn't, you still have to make sure you do not run into her all the while going for a box on a map like red forest/swamp etc.

Most use both add ons that makes the timer goes very fast along with the perks I mention. I find it totally stupid and believe they unless their injured without and iron will, survivors should not be giving any notifications of searching for a box groaning eeeeeeh aaaaah like a monkey which can then have her easily sneak up and knock you down again and once again some maps makes it harder to try be aware of her.

Am not gonna answer the why que up because I do not give up in matches duh. Do you know what general mean? I am not talking about your specific build, am giving an example of builds lol.

No matter what killer or build you do someone will probably will not like it and that is life of a pvp games and just because I said what I said gives you no right to assume that I give up in matches which I do not. Anyways we are finished here.

I’m really cautiously optimistic about it. For me, It definitely depends on how the system will detect it and things like that. It does feel a bit like treating the symptoms and not the cause, similar to gutting skull merchant without tweaking any of the reasons that people found frustrating/difficult. I dont want another SM situation. The fact that she is still in the gutter is really upsetting and unfair for her mains. But yeah, for the most part I’m excited to see what we have in store!

True. I guess there’s just so many factors that it becomes pretty much impossible to try and “fix” everything cause at the end of the day anyone can find a justification to do anything for any reason. Humans kinda suck like that I guess lol.

Hopefully the stricter penalties will help.

Yeah, I agree with that. Everyone has different tastes and strengths and things. One person that can easily deal with a perk or a killer could be really difficult for someone else. The penalty should be helpful, and I’m assuming certain perks like slippery meat or things similar that are in play that it will be balanced differently around it.

In any case, sorry you got DCs! Thats unfortunate.

It’s the Snoot— it’s too powerful