Oni 180s removed in PTB?

He won't be suddenly better for console, he is exactly same. Just worse for PC too…
It's funny you think he will get something in exchange.

My main issue was his naive idea, he will actually be changed for it, he won't be.

This change is not going to get any new players on Oni, only remove PC players who played for flick, which I expect is majority (including myself).

So it's just worse for the killer no matter what.

If Oni needs help I hope he'll get something in exchange

Console clearly needs help with Oni, so why he wasn't changed along with this nerf?

I quoted his message, exact line. What do you not understand about it?

He claimed Oni will be changed if he needs it. I say it's naive and he will not get any change for a long time.
People here claim it's good so he is not PC only killer, but he is still not good for console anyway. He will just be equally bad for everyone and boring. That seems as terrible change to me.

Can we stop this "its a tech when I use it, an exploit when you do" tribalism in the community? Regardless of how any of us feel about flicks and/or how intentional they are/were, it is a fact that skill expression is hurt by this change, and on a killer who was not even top tier (let alone being so due to the tech specifically.) People stating that Oni's skill expression was reduced by this change are not wrong, as there is nothing about this change that would give him more potential, only less.

This is all before getting into any type of talk about how/when glitches (and even outright exploits) become intentional mechanics after the fact, ranging from combos in fighting games to rocket jumping or bunny hopping in various FPS to looping in this very game. Call everything unintentional an exploit even when it benefits you, or reserve the term for things that actually break the game like OoB/unreachable locations. Or even bugs (that have since been patched thankfully) like clipping into lockers or backpack nurse before the m2 change to her blink attack.

This post is neither for nor against the removal of Oni's flick. That said I do think it should come with compensatory buffs that help high skilled play, as skill expression is something this game desperately needs more of in general. Maybe someday.

Before McLean left the company he made Blight playable on console, but they also doubled the sensitivity with a controller and stated that was the furthest they could go.

I highly doubt it was impossible to let console turn camera more for it. This was just easier, but doesn't change the fact it sucks for Oni mains and doesn't improve anything.

I am looking forward next survivor complaining there are too many Blights.

Look at your first comment and do some self reflection. You seem to lack in that aspect.

Except, Oni mains couldn't enjoy that.

PC Oni mains could, but everyone else was out of luck.

Maybe actual skill expression is understanding and working to get the best out of your killer's power within the limits the devs intended? You know, instead of throwing your mouse across the room at every tile to get a free bs hit?

The issues with using a controller are dead zones in the sticks and some input delay.

The sticks have a momentum-like effect, where you swing the sticks and have to hold it for a second to get to full speed. This is why camera movement and moving in general cannot be snappy & responsive compared to using a mouse. Most games offer acceleration options to mitigate this but DBD does not.

The input delay is about half a second or so, and affects everything you do. For example, imagine playing as Hag. Those using a mouse would rebind the attack to the scroll wheel to insta-swing as you teleport. With a controller you can mash all you want but never insta-swing when you teleport, and the surv gains distance. I don't think there's anything they can do about that delay at all, it'll never match the quickness of pressing a keyboard.

All this is without taking into consideration fps or game performance in general on the consoles either. I encourage our PC cousins to borrow a friend's PS4 or whatever, pick up a controller, play as killer and find out for themselves.

Hmmmm... I'm not sure gents. I do see where @PetTheDoggo is coming from...

I am a console player, always supporting narrowing the PC/console divide, so am I happy to see the flicka gone...

However I have played my share of console Oni... and when you have killers with unrestricted access to their power like Nurse, Blight, Billy, and I have a feeling the Ghoul is gonna be in a similar camp... a killer like Oni who is literally the most basic of m1 killers until he gets his power, his power has to be really good when he gets it...

I am certainly not an Oni expert, but handling that turn lock, especially on controller, is really rough and frustrating against decent survivors on any kind of remotely tight tiles... A lot of the time you simply can't get a hit, which leaves the power in a place where it doesn't feel as impactful as it should be for the work you need to put in…

While I'm no fan of BS 180 degree flicks... the fact he's been given nothing to improve him leaves Oni with this pretty sizable question mark of why bother playing him over other killers?

Like even Chucky has an OK stealth and unique mindgames at tiles thanks to his small size, even with his slide and dice power in flux... but Oni is literally a discount Hillbilly without some kind of improvement after the loss of his flicks.

Though to be fair, it would be nice to have max turn speed at base for demon strike on controller Oni... and/or individual turn speeds for different killer powers in general separate from your normal sensitivity.