idk if they should put it back in boldness considering people were just using it to do absolutely nothing according to some killer mains, which I think is pretty unhealthy for the sake of gameplay, but they definitely should consider buffing the token amount. I ended up in chases most of the time anyways when using the perk because objectives before the nerf. I’m fine with chase, but also wouldn’t mind if it were tied to gens or saves. Realistically there’s killers that patrol gens and killers that wait in the wings for the unhook so they can’t say they didn’t see you. As a teammate I would prefer people be doing something productive other than farming the tokens back up with boldness.

They swear it’s of the highest degree. If people didn’t use it to hide the whole time I wouldn’t have been like yeah it can probably use some sort of change that doesn’t allow that.

Yeah though I’d tie it to saves or gens instead, you’re being a productive part of the team, and if you’re doing either you’re guaranteed to be seen and chased unless well ya know they’re actively trying to hard tunnel the person off the hook.

It also has a built in counter consistently aside from just being near others or being productive , crows, and you don’t even need a perk for that. That’s crazy I know, who would see a crow flying and be like yep there’s a survivor over there? Spies from the shadows gives you a blasting crow alert that is basically a survivor alert, whispers if they’re hiding, tons of other perks that give away location outside of aura. Listen don’t get me started because I can go on and on about this perk, counters, and how the only thing that needed to change was boldness, and scratch marks being covered.

I still laugh that people got distortion of all things nerfed, and found it to be as big of a deal as it was made out to be outside of anything that tied it to boldness which fueled excessive hiding. Straight up a hand holding moment for killer, that came from lacking game sense and unwillingness to put on something else that’s a perfectly good substitute if you care that much about full location, and I hope they realize that. I’m not trying to be rude, but it is what it is.

and that’s fine, not even a wrong take, but what about new survivors learning mechanics as well just trying not to get tunneled out immediately?

On the flip side there’s plenty of really great killer mains that go full aura on s tier killers that have no problems with loops, just because well they can, and that’s not even counting several thousand hour huntresses that got no real problems hitting their hatchets and are as good with aim prediction as a great nurse with blinks. There’s always the higher end of things to think about, or even the other side with similar(game mechanics) but different struggles(opposite side).

I’m just saying, respectfully.

yeah it sucks, there’s a lot of tactics on both sides that make each side pretty miserable, which I try to be cognizant of, so if you take out one, you’re going to have to take out the other in response, and now you’ve risked losing demographics due to lack of variety, and staleness. So I ask myself what would I do? What would you do? Idk I think I think too much, and I’m just pro give everyone incredibly busted things and let people be to the vices. Learn adapt, and if not adapt alter to a tolerable level because you want to keep your player base and not straight up take away toys to the point it’s not fun anymore for either side.

The point is enough people don’t like the distortion change that I think it’s in the realm of conversation to tie it to something else even though I’m not particularly invested in what it’s tied to as long as it’s not boldness(being in the killer terror radius), and helps the team, you’re not going to learn anything if you hide all match, you gotta be a little brave.

Listen I know you were right under their nose to keep your tokens up, but they’re just going to hit you with I don’t have time to look in the locker or right behind the wall, or the rock, or even right behind me. Honestly devs did me a favor changing it from boldness, as your teammate and a distortion user. If y’all want it not tied to chase(distortion users), say that, but you gotta speak up, but it’s generally agreed the boldness condition promotes very unhealthy gameplay on both sides, and I think that’s fair to say no to.

You got three options chase, gens, or saving/healing your friends, but you gotta speak up. I’m trying to help y’all out here. Because I use this perk offensively and strategically. Under no circumstances though should this perk go back to boldness.

At minimum though if they don’t speak up one more token please 🙏 one is about to be in the tank bc of lethal off the bat once you change to spawn together, they’re plotting already, I actually use this perk, it’s in my rotation, and I’m not hiding, if they find me doing things they find me doing things but 2 on a chase condition with lethal locked and loaded when your forced to spawn together is whack.

Of course now killers use more aura perks, myself for example, that perk was unhealthy in its previous state, reasons:

• Encourage hidding, I won't never support perks which encourage hidding.
• Could counter several killer perks at once all the time (the Lethal Pursuer + BBQ combo for example), because it was so easy to reload the tokens that could perfectly not have them and there would hardly be a noticeable difference.

I never ran distortion because I have a moral compass that prevents me from using ridiculously overpowered perks.

Pretty sure it had a slightly below average winrate, so you might need to check your moral compass' accuracy.

No matter how you slice it, it was blatantly overpowered.

Did it win matches? Because it sounds to me like it was helping you, as killer, actually win more. Besides, the perk, by itself, has literally no effect. It is only as powerful as the aura reading opposing it.

I remember getting 9 hooks in 5 minutes and not getting a single aura read because they figured out all my aura perks by watching the distortion tokens leave and then they would hide in lockers any time I went to hook or kick a Gen and so on.

Good thing Distortion got gutted then, so now they… Can't hide in lockers anymore?

ONE survivor perk should not be able to count FOUR killer perks AT ONCE.

Why not? If they all do the same thing, why shouldn't they all get countered by the same thing?

Are we gonna have a Repressed Alliance nerf incoming? If you equip Pop Goes The Weasel, Nowhere to Hide, Machine Learning and Eruption, should you just be allowed to kick blocked generators?

Just another day on the forums <3

You branch off from meta with a perk that arguably helped them when used wrong, and well they petitioned to have it strung to chase, but I mean I’m not going to stand in the way of that if you know what I mean 😅 pointless nerf to pacify, truly. So many counters to it.

I’m not mad about it, wish it was three tokens still, but eh could have been worse imo and as someone that actually uses it so I don’t have to repeatedly jump in lockers , and do the go this way go that way game to counter heavy aura that eats up important time, ya know that old trick, like every 10-15, 30 seconds in the middle of an aura /gen regression meta. I’m grateful for the sparing.

Survivors will be fine, I’m fine, if they think it’s useless now there’s like 20 other perks that work similarly enough(fun business is what you can find if you branch out and have all your stuff unlocked) , they’ll eventually find. I’m still going to run it, at least I can’t be blamed for everyone else’s decisions now for using a support perk at its best that wasn’t actively stalling killer progression, and noob friendly perk that worked in the killers favor at its worst. I’m probably the minority, but yeah it’s a thanks from me!

2 probably close to fair, but it feels like they go really fast sometimes, and nobody is even down or just went down, so can’t be blamed for their tunneling anymore, and the support reason for using it is negligible at that point purely from a start of match perspective, That’s just my take though. There’s always mid and endgame though. Again, I’m not chilling in a corner or hiding in a locker trying to count my precious tokens to avoid the killer, I run it to avoid the locker pop in game or the go this way then go that way game.

Crazy enough being in a chase with them before was pushing my tokens, because I said it before and I’ll say it again pointless nerf, they don’t understand emblems, or how it works. They can go off though I guess. Something you can’t fix, rip distortion(I’ll still be using you). In my eyes I’ve still got distortion sure it’s a little less effective now, but it doesn't breed hiding, or getting your teammates killed now, and Imo those were the biggest complaints. Mostly balanced and supports interactions 🫶👌 love you mean it!

Whole lot of straw manning I’m seeing.

They're direct quotes. That's not strawmen.

Perk win rate is not equal to strength. Weaker survivors use Distortion on average because they are afraid so the win rate goes down. Besides as you have said yourself “Nightlight GG stats are self reported and not accurate”

I haven't said anything of the sort here. But also, this is a very weak deflection. If the perk is so tremendously overpowered, surely this would be noticeable in -any- aspect. But as it stands, your opinion on the perk being overpowered is fuelled by nothing more than 'I feel it is'. Which is a standard not even the most ardent [side]-mains would agree to.

I can’t say if it wins matches and nobody can. Games are won and lost by a combination of actions. And I know factually games have been lost because Distortion blocked an aura reveal on a survivor who was on death hook. And yes the match I played I would have 100% lost if I didn’t brutally 3 hook tunnel out the one survivor I finally found.

Again, this lends itself to the opposite of the argument you are making. If the perk is overpowered, why is it losing people matches instead?

Again another blatant straw man. The point I was making is 9 hook in 5 minutes proves that the whole “oh it hAS lImItEd tOkEnS!” Argument is irrelevant because survivors had infinite tokens by using lockers to save them.

"Survivors have infinite tokens if they don't use them"

Did you read what you wrote? I have been around these forums, I've got over 4.5K posts here, and this is, by far, one of the most takes of all time I've ever seen here.

Yeah, you get to keep your stuff if you don't use it. How on earth is that a notch against it being balanced?

Also, again, your problem here is very clearly LOCKERS, not Distortion.

A killers perks should be significantly stronger than survivors perks. One perk blocking 4 is in fact outrageous.

Again, you have not construed why. If those four perks all do the same thing, why shouldn't they get blocked by the same thing?

YOU decide to over-invest in one thing, that is YOUR problem.

Should we axe Plague as well, since someone bringing Empathic Connection, Botany, Autodidact and Desperate Measures would be hard-countered by it? Hell, that one doesn't even take up a load-out slot at all! Clearly this means Plague is broken OP, right?

And Repressed alliance is not even worth mentioning because it doesn’t counter anything. RA before a pain Rez? You keep your pain Rez token. RA before a pop? The killer goes to a different gen. Besides your giving the killer a free 45 seconds of slowdown. Deadlock is 25 seconds. You are literally helping the killer with Repressed Alliance.

-This- is a strawman. I never talked about Pain res or Deadlock. And yeah, RA can keep a killer from using Pop on the gen they need to use it on. 'They go to a different gen!' - Well, what if that gen doesn't have any progress? RA blocks Pop, along with the other perks I mentioned.

So surely it'd be subject to the same rule, right?

finally someone saying things that had to be said. and you are so right about lethal i am so sick of this perk it gives too much information to the killer right from the start and too much of a advantage specially and high mobility killers like blight nurse or billy. these 3 killers should be starting with their power in cooldown.

do I really have to show you each strawman you made?

Yeah, you do. Because what you are pointing to, aren't strawmen. They're explorations of your argument. They're counterpoints against your argument. They're things you don't want to say, but they are things you ARE saying as part of your argumentation.

If you claim that 'all green things are spinach' and I retort with 'Grass is not spinach', you can't claim I'm strawmanning you. That's just pointing out a flaw in your assertion.

Killers get 4 perks, survivors get 16. There a 4 survivors and 1 killer. Basic common sense should tell you that the killer should have more powerful perks on average. You can’t counter any killer chase perks at all. You can’t counter almost any gen perks at all. But you can’t completely deny all aura.

That is also incorrect. It's part of a common mistake where killer players overlook the fact that, no, Distortion doesn't disable your aura reading perks. They prevent it from working on -one specific survivor-. You are still getting value from said perks, just not against -that one specific survivor-.

It takes four Distortions to fully block one killer perk, which neatly balances it out. As for the killer stacking more aura reading perks and getting them all blocked out by Distortions, you still haven't argued on that front.

Why should the killer not face the consequences of stacking up such a lop-sided build? And if they shouldn't face said consequences, what does that say about Plague vs. full heal builds?

The perk has a counter in which you can watch it activate. This telling you exactly what aura perk the killer has. They could have just left the perk with an indicator that it was being used so it still blocked your aura but you had no idea a token was consumed. That way you aura would still be protected but it never told you exactly what perks the killer had. Thus stopping you from hiding in lockers for 5 seconds every time a token was about to be consumed thus stopping you from having infinite tokens and stopping you from potentially telling your team all of the killers perks.

You know that

A) It doesn't tell you what perks the killer has. Players can guess some specific ones if they can catch an activation condition, but a survivor on the other side of the field won't see everything the killer does. The only perk that Distortion can unerringly identify is Lethal Pursuer.

B) You can't always hide in lockers to block the aura reading, some of the aura readings have activation conditions that don't allow that kind of counterplay.

C) Distortion isn't the only perk that functions in the way you describe.

D) You are literally still complaining about the perk remaining available if it goes unused. You are still calling it 'infinite tokens' when said tokens are NOT USED.

And no Plagues power should not be axed.

Why not?

According to you, if someone stacks their entire build in one specific direction, it shouldn't be overruled by one pick, right? So why does Plague get to overrule a full healing build?

Nobody brings 4 healing perks.

I've done. And I've gone up against Plagues with it. And you know what I did?

I chalked it up to me having a bad build, instead of coming to the forums and demanding that my for-fun, badly constructed build needs to get absolved of its errors by having the game make way around it.