Special Perk Types Overhaul (Scourge Hooks, Hexes, Boons, Invocations, Teamwork Perks)

Year, the Scourge Hook spawns suck sometimes. fussy made the suggestion that you gain one more Scourge Hook for each additional scourge Hook perk. That would be also a good change for Scourge Hook builds or when you want to use two scourge hook perks.

Gift of Pain: Honestly, I wish they would revert Mangeled and Haemorrhage. The timer is such a stupid change and made these status effects completely weak. Survivors also have so many ways to heal faster nnow. Every Mangeled addon became useless while Sloppy feels so mediocre. You hit a survivor, cooldown, pick up, walk to hook (already 15 - 20 seconds) and then when the survivor gets unhooked and they run to a safe area, the timer is already over. There are also so pathetic addons like Rabbit's foot that gives you 30 seconds of Haemorrhage or Spikes Collar with 60 seconds for both.

MS: The change to 70 seconds hook timer was one of the worst changes ever and the developers should revert it too. Buffing MS would be the wrong solution. Nobody was running this perk before and won't do it now. Perks cannot always be the solution for problems. The developers do this since years and it created so many problems and sadness (when boons were common → Shattered Hope, face camping → Reassurance, hex totem are easy to clenase → Dominance, and now the solution for hard tunnling is Shoulder the Burden which is a strong perk but no one is using it in SoloQ because it requieres the knowledge of "we can only win as a team" and only a handful of players are aware of this).

Hangman's Trick; I don't really like this change because it is as niche as the current version.

Blood Favour does not need any buffs. It is already an amazing perk.

Lullaby: fair change

Ruin: yes

Hex TcP: I always though it would be funny if the perk works like if the survivor fails to stun or blind the killer, the survivor gets blinded.

WF: I don't like the current version because punishing a random player for finishing a gen feels so stupid. But I also don't like your suggestion.

Boon: they don't need a bigger range because this would become too problematic on some maps like the Game or Saloon.

Shadow Step: no. The game has an actual good ideas of how sounds should work (bugs asides) and no perk should mess with this. It is already stupid that IW makes a survivor completly silent instead of giving them other sounds.

Illumination: yes fair buff

Dark Theory: no. That would become too problematic because it will make it so much easier to mess with the killer as a cheater and creates accessibility issues. Getting Blindness for 90 seconds will also make hooking even more bad and slugging so much better.

Invocation: the problem with making Invocation perks stronger is that it will make the early game miserable by survivors that will hide forever and then sneak into the basement while the killer is looking for them and checking basement all the time. These Perks are also really difficult to balance because there is a small gap between overpowered and underwhelming bad. Changing the broken status effect to exposed is fair since this will make it less miserable against strong killers (Nurse, Blight, Billy) but everything else no. The effect of TC is also extremely strong but the condition hold it back by a mile. Your suggestion would make this Perk rather problematic, so no I rather have a useless meme perk than a problematic strong perk.

Teamwork; fair

Collective stealth: no, don't mess with sounds in this game, this always lead into problems. This change won't make the perk better and give it a wrong buff.

Do you think Gift of Pain should stay as a scourge hook? This perk is really map/rng dependent, you only get value twice but has the nice effect of "don't camp or tunnel for value". I feel like it can become a normal perk that triggers every time you get unhooked. Monstrous Shrine should also become a normal but still has the feature of making basement hooks scourge hooks. In theory, it is a nice perk to encourage the killer not to camp but being a scourge hook makes it so bad. It also should have 40% faster progress like you said because there is no reason for a survivor to sit 70seconds on hook when the killer is not camping the hook. I also feel like Floods of Rage should become a normal hook for the same reason like GoP and the fact survivors can decide when it triggers, which makes it even more unreliable.

they should atleast buff GOP

Out of all the anti healing perks in dbd

This one got the hardest nerf of all due to that the main element of the perk (16% penalty) can be easily avoidable with 99 healing

Overall agree.

Shadowstep is good enough, it doesn't need changes, especially since the range is getting increased.

Definitely do not decrease the boon sound. This would be annoying to not even realize it's active if you miss the initial chime.

Nothing but Misery is extremely bad. Remove the hits to activate entirely, it's already a hex, that's bad enough. The Hinder % needs to be higher as well, especially with the stacking changes. This is already primarily an m1 (aka weak killer) perk. To illustrate how bad it is, you could take it's current form, remove the hit requirement, remove the hex component, and even then it's barely better than Rapid, and sometimes still worse depending what killer. That's how bad this perks current form is.

Gift of Pain typically seem worse than Sloppy to me, even on many m2 killers. Like the occasional m1 on m2 type killers averages out to more procs to me then even this does. Plus we got the Mangled/Hemorrhage nerfs. Honestly for how easier Sloppy is to apply (and its improve hemorrhage), make Gift of Pain apply to not only the unhooked but also the unhooker if they are injured at the time. This gives it counter play and makes it trigger a bit more often to be more competitive with Sloppy.

All hexes should be active but just not light onto any totem for the first like 90 seconds of the game. This guarantees some value.

You didn't mention it but make Leverage 90 seconds like We'll Make It. I already find it weird that this perk is 50% for 30 seconds when We'll Make It is 100% for 90. if anything these % and time active for these 2 perks should've been reversed.

Hex nothing but misery is now worth the slot.

fair point.

Here is btw my idea for Shattered Hope:

"You start the trail with three tokens and the ability to destroy dull, blessed, and hex totems. Everytime you destroy a totem, you lose one token and the following effect triggers: The aura of every survivors within 28 around the destroyed totem is revealed to you for 4/5/6 seconds and these survivors also suffer from the oblivious status effect for the next 30 seconds. Every time you hook a survivor, you gain one token up to a maximum of 3/4/5 and once a survivor gets unhooked, a random destroyed totem comes back as a dull totem. If you destroy your own hex totem, you trigger the effect of the totem."

Conditions and everything can be changed but I like the basic effect of it since it would also make Hunted Ground and Retribution a bit more viable while also giving the killer a special interaction with totems.