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Update to Haste and Hindered
As we move towards the 8.7.0 release, we wanted to thank everyone for trying out the PTB and for sharing valuable feedback. We wanted to go over some notable changes you can expect.
Haste and Hindered Stacking
The community has shared a lot of valuable feedback regarding the Haste and Hindered Stacking changes as tested on the PTB. After careful consideration by the Design team, we will not be moving forward with all of the changes. We will be moving forward allowing Haste and Hindered to stack again. The perks you saw in the PTB will continue to go Live in 8.7.0 while we monitor their usage on Live servers. The exception will be Champion of Light; this will receive changes prior to release. Keep an eye out for the Patch Notes for full details!
Abandon Option Trial Outcomes
With the new Abandon option added for Killers, we’ve noticed there is some confusion around the results on different scenarios:
Killer
Scenario #1 – If all Survivors Are Bots:
- The Killer can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.
Scenario #2 – If the match has continued for 10 consecutive minutes without a generator being completed or regressed:
- The Killer can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a LOSS.
DEV NOTE: Due to a bug, the endgame screen will currently show Survivors as sacrificed. This will be fixed in an upcoming Bug Fix patch.
Survivor
Scenario #1 - When all other remaining Survivors left alive in the Trial are bots:
- The last Survivor can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.
Scenario #2 - When all Survivors alive in a Trial are in the Dying State:
- The Survivors can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.
See you in The Fog!
The Dead by Daylight Team
Comments
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Very sad to see haste/hinder stacking stay. I was very much looking forward to this.
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Wouldn’t this mean it’s better to abandon the match rather than letting the killer hook/mori you when on the ground since it’s a draw and not a loss?
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Buff Fire Up please start with 1 token
Option 1: 6% - 12% / 18% / 24% / 30% / 36% ← (Buff Brutal Streght 25% Maybe?)
Option 2: 5% - 10% / 15% / 20% / 25% / 30% (5% for token but start with 1 token)
This makes the Perk more useful and less risky, because survis can do 3 GEN at the same time, it is something necessary
and most of the games you never make good use of this Perk and it's a horrible perk consider "End Game Perk"...Post edited by Jtflorencio on5 -
Are there going to be added conditions to change the outcome of a surrender?
For example if all survivors havent touched a gen for 5 minutes and then if the killer dc's, its not considered a loss due to the survivors deciding to refuse to operate on an objective
I dont see how that would be problematic as there isnt a way to stop survivors from doing an objective even if the killer goes into a match with the goal of surrendering with no gens complete
If so, you could change the map or killer powers around generators, like trappers or hags traps
TL;DR is adding new conditions to already existing surrenders options a thing you guys thought about to give survivors/killers a win and vice versa?.
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So if I wanted to just hide for 10+ minutes with a swf we'd win every game by refusing to do gens and aggravating the killer into using the abandon mechanic? That doesn't seem right to me, why are you encouraging survivors to refuse to touch gens by making it so they can win without anyone every touching a gen?
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Why is me abandoning against bots a draw? Everyone has left and I get nothing if I don't stick it out for some reason
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So the killer can slug everyone, survivors can abandon the match, and its considered a draw? How does this make sense?
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4 survivors in the dying state, they abandon and the game is counted as a DRAW?
What'd be the kill rate in this match?46 -
Literally this. The whole point of the mechanic was so the killer couldn't be held hostage, now the survivors are REWARDED for holding the killer hostage and actively not engaging in the gameplay.
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Why didn't you revert the rarity colors?
The new replacements are just dumb.
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The Killrate would be as many Kills as the Killer kills in the end. The game does not end, if a Survivor abandons, they leave a Bot. If the Killer decides to stick around, they get a 4K. If they abandon, they dont get anything. But the Killrate would not really matter anyway, since it is not used for Stats.
Does it actually matter what the outcome of the match is for the Survivor? Most likely only for people who want to make the game miserable for Survivors (which aligns perfectly with someone who is going for a 4 man-Slug).
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Exactly. If everyone is dying and you abandon, instead of a bot, shouldn't you be replaced with a corpse? And the killer should get an auto-win?
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That's not the point. If you have a killer who can manage to slug everyone, but the game says this match is a draw, it really paints a half baked picture of the strength of that killer.
I know kill rate stats were never super reliable to begin with, but this has really made them worthless now.
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DRAW LOSS
DRAW DRAW
Don't seem fair to me20 -
Survivors hiding for 10 minutes refusing to work on gens should not be counted as a killer loss. I'm aware its a loss to prevent a 3 gen scenario, but this is something that should be looked into.
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If a Killer chooses to abandon after no gens have been completed or regressed after 10 minutes, does this affect their MMR because the game is considered a loss?
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Why is scenario #2 considered a draw??? If a survivor stays in that match, it's basically over so it's a loss. Why are survivors who are willing to roll with the punches and stay being punished for being good sports and taking their losses? That makes no sense
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But 4 man slugs aren’t the only time you can use this abandon feature.
Unless I’m mistaken, I’m pretty sure you can also abandon the match as the last survivor after being downed.
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Who choose rewards when suev/killer quit ??
3/4 u guys just failed
Killer SHOULD win if all survs dc
Killer shouldnt lose cuz im not wasting 40 mins trying to find last 2 survs hiding ,it should be if u quit and there is 3/4 survs in match its draw , if there is 2 survs in match and u quit u win
If u dc as surv cuz evryone else dced ur dc count as draw okay thats 1/4 that is good
If all survs are sluged and they dc its draw ? No thats lose ,cuz so many ppl when i down them and they are last just quit and insted of lost game they get draw sry but this should count as lost match
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The Killrate stats should not be affected by that. And honestly, if I play Killer, I dont care about the MMR-gain or loss of the Survivors. Why should I even? MMR is just a number for matchmaking, no trophy or anything.
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You can, but again - it is really not worth it to think about if that last guy now got a Draw or a Loss. For the Killer, the outcome is the same, regardless if they hook/mori a Bot or the actual player.
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Incentivizing survivors to avoid doing their objective and still get a win still seems like OBVIOUSLY TERRIBLE GAME DESIGN, but I guess I’m not a genius like the folks at BHVR.
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Ok. This is REALLY ######### BAD FOR ABANDON
Killer should not be PUNISHED FOR SURVIVORS NOT DOING THE OBJECTIVE. Make it a draw for killer BUT A LOSS FOR SURVIVORS if abandon cause the 10 minute timer
And survivors SHOULD GET A LOSS IF EVERYONE IS DOWN. why would they ever NOT abandon. since they cant win anyways if they stay in game IT WILL COUNT AS A LOSS. yall literally made the abandon feature a free get outta jail card for ATLEAST 1 SURVIVOR in every match.
this seems so backwards. and now the end game mori is just kinda pointless also. this whole system was implemented horribly
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I was thinking that. That feedback was pretty straight forward from everyone that we wanted a revert.
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It’s fair to be concerned about it though because now there’s no threat to being the last survivor since you literally can’t lose if you don’t want to.
But my biggest issue is that if I am the last survivor and want to watch the killer’s mori animation, then I’m actually punished for doing so when if I just abandoned wouldn’t have technically lost.
It’s just a weird thing to include, there’s no reason this should be a draw honestly.
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Survivor Scenario #2 should be counted as a loss, not a draw. If everyone is in dying state, hooked, or dead, then in 99% of scenarios the killer is winning that game.
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Scenario #2 - When all Survivors alive in a Trial are in the Dying State: "The Survivors can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW."
if every survivor gives up they should not draw that's a loss.Scenario #2 – If the match has continued for
10 consecutive minuteswithout a generator being completed or regressed:- The Killer can
Abandonthe match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a LOSS
So you can hold the killer hostage for an hour by hiding?
19 - The Killer can
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Can you please clarify what do you mean by WINN, DRAW and LOSS? If you keep all the xp and bp, but lose the items and addons anyway, what's the difference between winn , loss or draw? If it's only about sbmm, then why you can lower your mmr as killer by holding a 3gen, but if you abandon the game as a survivor it's just a draw, and nothing changes? What does all this winn/loss/draw means then? Just a visual at the endgame lobby? How it's make sense?
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I mean, I personally dont care either way. But I just think this is looking for making things a problem which are really irrelevant. The Abandon-feature is good. And bringing up those concerns for nitpicking is just too much IMO.
But whatever, it seems to be the most important thing that the Survivors lose MMR, because it is clearly so important for people. I think I will just ignore this thread, not worth my time to argue over such little things, lol.
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”Scenario #2 - When
all Survivorsalive in a Trial are in the Dying State:- The Survivors can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.”
Does this mean the 4th survivor will never lose MMR if they abandon the game like 0.5 seconds after being placed in the dying state???This HEAVILY encourages survivors to excessively hide when the game isn’t going well for them, because they would be able to 100% avoid an MMR loss if they are the last survivor alive.
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Now that you mention draw/loss, please clearly define the meaning and outcome of it.
What counts Survivor's win/draw/loss? Match making rate up/stay/down?
What counts Killer's win/draw/loss? Match making rate up/stay/down?
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But if you do allow stacking of haste, then certain perks combos could be overpowered, what are you going to do then? just sit on your hands? Allow broken combos to persist because nerfing it would make one of the perks unable to compete on its own?
Why do you want to have such a thorn in your design side of evaluating a perk on its own merits, just so a few pranksters can run a broken build every once in a while? What solution will there be to the problem you had hoped to solve with it then?
What convinced you guys that it was suddenly a bad idea? What was the reasonable argument?
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The abandon feature is good, I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you there.
I don’t see how this is nitpicking though. The entire point of this topic is pretty much about this system and how it works, pointing out a flaw in it isn’t nitpicking.
I don’t care if the opposing survivor loses MMR or not, I care that I, as a survivor, am now going to be punished for wanting to view the cool finisher mori rather than disconnecting.
I’m not trying to argue with you.
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It's more problematic than it actually seems.
Imagine 1 hooked survivor and the other 3 slugged. Everyone, including killers abandon, turning a 4k into a 0k which would lead to a drastic drop in killrate for all killers (which is used to balance them).
I actually believe that even these games are not counted at all because when an abandonment occurs: ‘Games are not counted as completed trials’, so all stats (gen completed, hooks, kills etc.) are not stored in the database because we know that when someone DCs in the middle of the game, that game is as if it never existed.
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There's been a lot of great points brought up about Abandon outcomes here, particularly with folks discussing the impact of draws vs. losses. We're actively monitoring this feedback (as well as the more granular questions folks have raised, as they help to highlight where this feedback is coming from) and bringing it back to the team.
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This is set up to be so wildly abusable.
So new swf strat will just be to rat out till the killer abandons??
Killer is forced to play with bots or him abandoning after he's the only person left in the game is a loss??
If the killer is the only person left he won, he didn't draw.
This is setting up a scenario for people to smurf as well.
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As much as I agree with you about MMR not really meaning that much, for me it's the principle that players who are willing to play out their matches to the end are 'penalised' by the game's system by saying they lost, whereas if they abandoned in that scenario then it's a 'draw'. If anything both should be treated the same.
What if in the future MMR does end up meaning something or having more impact for example. We know an 'MMR update' is on the roadmap afterall.
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Honestly it’s pretty nice to hear you’re already taking our feedback into consideration when it hasn’t even been an hour yet since this released
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If the last survivor abandons, and the killer immediately abandons afterwards, does that mean the killer turned an MMR gain into a draw? Would killers be able to do that to manipulate their MMR?
And does it mean the entire match is a draw, or just part of the match involving the last survivor?
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Can we get confirmation on if y'all are intending to revert the Rarity Colors? There were serious concerns about accessibility raised from colorblind players, and I'd like to see some sort of statement abt that.
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Yes, the abandon thing is bad, but why didn't they change the rarity recolors? A large portion of people, me included, want the originals back. Bhvr has some really selective hearing sometimes.
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Yup exactly what you're thinking. Smurfing enabled.
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remember when "autowin button" used to be gimmick? Now it's becoming reality for survivors lol.
2 last survivors stalling the game used to be a thing where they force killer into a DC so that those two survs basically get free escape + was considered holding the game hostage. Now it's gonna be legitimate strategy to autowin the game LOLOLOLOL.
As for 4-men slugs, by what logic does abandoning match as surv in that case count as a...DRAW?
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One question about haste stacking. Does haste increase the speed of kaneki‘s leap?
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So the killer can slug everyone, survivors can abandon the match, and its considered a draw? THIS IS UNFAIR ! very unfair. Revert this pls…. cant believe that 😡
There are just too many scenarios. It's still not entirely clear what a draw is, what a win is, what a loss is, and the fact that this system is exploited in any way bothers me. For many players, it's all about winning or losing. That's terrible !
In addition, survivors are given additional options. Imagine you are playing 4 man swf. The killer slugs 3 and you are the last one and the killer chases you. Now you can decide to get knocked down "and all other include you using dc" and it's a draw or the killer lets you keep running and you will have wide opportunities to help your mates.... no comment
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Weren't you one of the people crying when you thought killers abandoning after holding a 3 gen for 10 minutes was considered a win ? Yeah, you indeed don't need to be on this thread anymore considering that your hypocrisy was already showed in full display.
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So if the killer manages to protect gens for 10 minutes, they can DC & their MMR technically goes down, right? So not only can killers actively play the game, be good at it, and get bloodpoints, they can also Smurf for free to pub stomp progressively newer & newer players?
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Hope you make haste/hinder not stack with PERKS and not change how it effects killer powers/addons
Abandon for killer after 10 mins not complete feels like it would just be a draw
(let's face it if nothing happens for 10 minutes everyone still in the match loses anyway)
And 4 slugs counting as a draw is confusing, so if we get over altruistic and all get downed we just disconnect and we didn't lose?
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I completely agree with you. He hypocrites in many posts when he doesn't like something, and then he just leaves. He does that all the time
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Question: Is it possible the reason the Survivor Abandon options are all Draws so that they can't exploit the losses to lower their MMR?
That sounds nonsensical since the idea is you're abandoning once the game is basically over anyway (i.e. when you're guaranteed to lose) but I could so easily see Survivor players abandoning to incur a loss the same way a Killer would AFK for matches at a time.
Different Question: is it only considered a Draw for the abandoning Survivor, not the game as a whole (so it's still a win for the killer if they finish the bot off)
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