Update to Haste and Hindered

Actually Making it so that the Survivors sacrifice when the Killer Surrenders is a good way to provent Survivors from using the killer surrendering to win. Because we want the Survivors to do the Gens and leave not hide the entire game not doing anything for 10 minutes. I think when the survivors surrender it counts as escaping to provent the killer from slugging them all

What are these different conditions and why majority of them make NO SENCE? what the hell...

Will we still be able to see the haste and hinder percentages on the UI in the upcoming patch?

As someone who plays both Killer and Survivor, I don't have a lot to say when it comes to the Killer issues because I've thankfully never encountered any survivors who refused to do gens. However, I really don't like the "anti-slug" solution presented here.

As things stand right now, it doesn't directly reward Killers for slugging, but it doesn't punish this behavior either. There's nothing to discourage slugging -- the killer doesn't care of the survivor abandons the match, after all, it's easier to deal with their replacement bot if it comes to that. No harm, no foul.

This would be a better solution. For the following scenarios, imagine there are four survivors, Dwight, Nea, Kate and Sable.

Scenario 1: The killer first slugs Dwight, then Nea, then Kate. The moment the killer puts Sable into the dying state, Dwight immediately springs back to the injured state because he was the first survivor to be put in the dying state. Should the killer put Dwight back into dying state before he gets a chance to revive anyone else, then Nea returns to injured state because she was the next in the queue.

Scenario 2: Dwight is dead, Nea is hooked, Kate is dying. The moment the killer puts Sable into the dying state, Kate immediately springs back to the injured state. Should the killer put Kate back into the dying state before she gets a chance to revive Sable or unhook Nea, then Sable goes back to injured since she was the next living/unhooked survive in queue.

Scenario 3: Dwight and Nea are dead, Kate is hooked. The moment the killer puts Sable into the dying state, it doesn't matter because she's the only survivor on the field and the game should know enough not to automatically bring her back to injured.

Basically, there should never be a situation where all the characters on the field (not dead/not hooked) are in the dying state, and the moment that all the characters are put into the dying state, whoever was dying the longest (current first in queue), returns to injured to give them a chance to unhook or revive the others.

I feel like this is the best deterrent to stopping slugging if the game literally will not allow all characters to be slugged at once.

I think there are some issues with the abandon system.

Killer:

For the killer's first scenario where every survivor in the trial is a bot, I think that this should count as a Win, but a Draw is fine.

However, I think that for the second scenario, the design is inherently flawed. If no gen has been done for 10 minutes because the survivors are hiding/holding the killer hostage by not progressing the game, that should be discouraged and count as a Draw or Win for the killer. However, if those 10 minutes are because the killer is 3 genning to meet the time limit against a solo team I think that should be discouraged as well and count as a Draw or Loss for the killer. I think that this system should be adjusted entirely to:

• If no generator has been progressed by survivors for 5 minutes the killer can abandon and it is counted as a Win.

I feel that this would be better than a generator being completed because it removes the 3 gen scenario, and exclusively targets the refusal to progress the game.

Survivor:

For the survivor's first scenario where every other survivor is a bot I agree it should be a Draw.

However, if all survivors in the trial are in the dying state for the second scenario why on earth does this count as a draw. The last survivor alive can abandon every time and it will never count as a loss. This should be counted as a Loss for survivor.

So once again the developers bend the knee to the worst parts of the community toxic survivors. Now you do not have to do gens. You can literally join a match do nothing and BHVR will reward you. None of this makes sense... period. All survivors down ( dead ) they can leave and avoid a loss. Survivors refuse to do their objective and avoid a loss. So the only way to actually lose now as survivor is by playing the game... Worse devs ever. Absolute incompetence

So if 1 survivor repairs a generator for 5 seconds, once every 5 minutes, the survivors can hold the game hostage?

There needs to be a judgment call if the survivors to honestly trying to repair generators, or if they’re repairing for tiny amounts of time, and then the excessively hiding until it’s safe again to repair.

Because of the survivor team strategy is to drag the game another 30 minutes so they can eventually reach the gen kick limit, then that’s bad, and shouldn’t be rewarded.

Because you didn't win, you conceded. You can still get a win if you want to. Just kill the bots.

The abandon mechanic is just there so you don't have to bother.

They can't humiliate bots so it's not fun.

You could always do this. The only difference now is that you can avoid the disconnect penalty (and MMR loss, if you care about that). A Survivor who is willing to do that to themselves is likely not going to care about the disconnect penalty. And holding the game hostage is against the rules, just report them and they will be banned if they do it often enough (unless it is a permanent ban the first time you do it, in which case that behavior can be stopped even faster).

There needs to be actual in game solutions for survivors holding the game hostage. Placing tickets, that need to be manually reviewed, isn’t a good solution.

It would have been awesome if the anti hiding stuff could have been implemented already, instead of waiting until the last possible moment of phase 1.

I still don't think survivors should win or draw if they are ratting around for 10 minutes. It should be a loss for them, 100% as they failed to do their objective. Can't you guys just add another condition to the abandon feature so it's less abusable? Make it so that the timer for killer abandoning the match is stalled by doing gens OR by starting a chase? That way if the killer just stands around not chasing anyone, survivors can do the gens to keep the abandon option from appearing. Meanwhile, if the killer is actively chasing people off of gens because survivors are at least TRYING to get a gen done, it will also not trigger the abandon feature.

Also, taking away the haste stacking was a healthy choice and I'm sad to see you guys going back on it.

Wait I thought MMR isn’t affected to “abandons”?

At least that’s what I “thought” Mandy had said recently. That it was a separate matter.

I am so confused.

I would love some details. What is actually happening in all of this.

The new abandon feature is even worse than I previously thought….

If a killer hooks the 3rd survivor, and knocks the 4th survivor to the ground, then the 3rd AND 4th survivor can abandon and get a draw. This also means the 4th survivor can just run straight to the killer, because if the killer knock them to the ground while the 3rd survivor is still alive, they both get a draw.

Just imagine that whenever a SWF is losing, they all just run straight for the killer, because unless the killer wastes a bunch of time to kill them one at a time, then it’s likely that multiple survivors will be able to get an abandon draw.

survivors not completing their objective but the killer is tired and decides to leave = loss

killer gets stomped and can't leave because survivors enjoy the bullying = loss and penalty

So less fun games and more ultra competitive decisions in every game no mercy.

Ok these abandon scenarious are really unfair for the killer.

If survivors aren't doing anything but hiding in corners or in lockers why is it a loss for the killer? That seems really messed up and backwards.

If killer manages to do their job and actually win the game, but survivors are unhappy and can't wait and DC, its a draw? Again really messed up.

Haste stacking… I don't want to be gloom and doom thinker but the new perk Duty of Care + Hope in endgame. Goodluck catching anyone killers. I for sure will be running these 2 perks together.

I have some thoughts as both a SURV and Killer player, as a new player about a month into the game.

The 10 minutes no gen condition needs to be considered more like an "emergency exit button" than a "draw, loss, or win". It should be available to both killer and SURVs and make it so you don't lose items or addons but gain nothing from the match, as if you never played it in the first place. I would consider the match similar to the ones where players are actively cheating and preventing you from playing the game normally and achieving any goals (think Killer that downs players before they've even completed loading cutscenes, SURVs who speed/fly around the map and are uncatchable). This is a scenario where if you are either Killer or SURV, you just want out. No BP, no XP, no gains in that match could make you stay there any longer than you have to. No one wants to play a match where they can't do a gen in over ten minutes. No one wants to play a match where they can't find survivors who aren't completing objectives in over then minutes. No one wants to play a match where mechanics are being abused against you and you lose everything important for a match that wasn't even "a real game". This is why I think making this scenario a loss is not the best option, nor is keeping anything you would gain (or losing anything you'd lose) from a match like this. You didn't actually play a "real game" of DBD as it was intended to play, so those rewards and loses aren't real.

Why does abandoning a trial because the survivors took the game hostage be considered a draw, but leaving after all your team has been downed be considered a draw? That makes no sense.

If I understand your post correctly you are saying that Win / Lose / Draw does not DIRECTLY translate to MMR changes. There may be some connection, but to me it sounds like it isn't the main effect / focus of the Win / Lose / Draw outcomes.

What does Win / Lose / Draw mean in this context? What does each outcome do / what is this main effect?
(Assuming I understood your post correctly)

Are we allowed to know how the abandon feature interacts with MMR? I honestly don’t care what the end game screen says. I just want to do whatever raises my MMR the most, so I have the maximum chances of getting matched with quality opponents.

I play DBD as if this was a competitive game, and I owe it to my opponents to try to be at my correct MMR. If I’m unknowingly lowering my MMR, that isn’t fair to my opponents.

My baby bill unhook build is safe!

Yellow is still my favourite colour :(