Update to Haste and Hindered

This new abandon feature is going to murder my Survivor MMR even more (Make it stay in place when it should go down when I lose) I get abandons really often, but I stayed in the match until the end coz I thought that's the only way I got match exp (misunderstood match progress that pops up). I basically play against Blight/Nurse/Kaneki loads as it is, and in a lot of those matches they do slug.

I just want to enjoy this game casually but if the MMR system just isn't going to work fairly, I think at this point it needs to go, of course I don't know what my mmr is but if I lose or the killer wins, they should change score accordingly.

The abandon feature causes more problems in the long term, and now I feel reluctant to use it, not to mention if another survivor uses it in solo Q I'm probably also forced into a draw. What's the point of this?

As for @Mandy what you just said, I'm sorry, I just want to play the game casually and I keep getting S-Tiers, I may not know my numbers but I would very much like to enjoy the game again, but even if I lose often there is a "safety net" that stops you dropping quickly anyways, not that I'm throwing my matches but I've seen that mentioned.

Your MMR sounds like at this rate it's only going to climb people if they play often. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds that way

locker hopping is now a win condition.

The last person left in the trial can literally never lose, so this also encourages locker hopping and holding the game hostage.

Slugging, and then immediately hooking everyone is also not a win?

Abandoning a match as a survivor should always count as a loss, because they are either in a no win situation, or because they are deliberately holding the game hostage. Why should either be rewarded?

I'm just going to bring four stealth perks every match and try to hide until the timer is up, no joke. EVERY survivor match I'm in solo q I will do this, and I really do hope everyone else does as well so BHVR can see what a terrible idea this was.

It shouldn't be so hard / complicated.

If survivors abandon the match they lose and the killer wins. I play more survivor than I do killer and I don't want a draw. I lost, its fine, I just want to move on.

The only tricky issue is the the no gen's getting touched, but many people have proposed solutions to that.

Edit to add: Let me try to simplify what I think it should be / potentially what it is

If the survivor abandons the match, it is treated as if the survivor died in that moment (which seems to be true for everything on your chart)

If the killer abandons the match, it is treated as if the match ended and all remaining bots died except that the killer doesn't get the BP for sacrificing them

In the above you now escape all the difficulties and confusion over win/loss/draw.

Again, no gens being finished needs more clarity

i'm talking about your example, where "if all 4 survivors slugged, the first downed survivor gets immediately picked up"

Scenario 1: The killer first slugs Dwight, then Nea, then Kate. The moment the killer puts Sable into the dying state, Dwight immediately springs back to the injured state because he was the first survivor to be put in the dying state. Should the killer put Dwight back into dying state before he gets a chance to revive anyone else, then Nea returns to injured state because she was the next in the queue.



People here care way too much about having Wins validated. If you Abandon a match no matter what excuse it shouldn't be a "Win" or a "Loss." If BHVR makes the Abandon system complex for the sake of Win validation, then we get exploits.

My biggest concern is that there might be some assumption that if all remaining survivors are slugged, the killer "must" be playing toxic and should be punished, but the game strongly encourages this to happen regularly. For example, let's say 2 survivors have been eliminated and there's two survivors left. All one survivor has to do is go down at a pallet. The killer by the game's design is simply not allowed to pick that survivor up since the other survivor could just pallet save (or flashlight save). This means the killer's only option is to go for the survivor nearby waiting to save. The moment that survivor drops, both survivors disconnect and the game is a draw? The killer is clearly winning here with 2 survivors out, but now the killer has a choice to either pick up the downed survivor at pallet which WILL be a pallet save, and both survivors are back up and running, OR the killer goes for the person waiting to pallet save…but if he does so, the game is a draw? This gives the killer no winning situation in a scenario where he's clearly winning. It doesn't make any sense.

Here's an actual match scenario that happened just recently. This should timecode skip to the end of a match.

1 Survivor has already been sacrificed

1 Survivor goes down at a pallet.

1 Survivor is hiding nearby to jump out and flashlight save or pallet save his buddy if he crawls fast enough.

1 Survivor is working on the last gen which is at around 85%.

I down the survivor, but of course he has his buddy nearby with a flashlight to get a flashlight save. There's no wall here, so no way to be "immune" to a flash save. Regardless, he's also at a pallet. I'm aware that another survivor is hiding nearby to do the flashlight or pallet save, so the game literally does not allow me to pick up the survivor, so the only option is to try to down the "flashlight\pallet saver". I down this other survivor. The last generator is at 90% at this point. If I take the time to pick up the survivor I just downed, by the time I'd hook, the last gen would be finished. This risks adrenaline being used by the pallet downed survivor (and otherwise, power struggle with flipflop). This means all gens are completed, and I have 2 survivors active who can just heal up and go for an easy hook rescue for a 3 man out - survivor victory. Due to this, the only viable option is to keep the pallet downed survivor slugged, slug the pallet saver survivor hiding nearby, and chase the last survivor that's working on the last gen nearby that's at 90%. By going for that 3rd survivor, I eliminate the risk of adrenaline entirely, and the only way I'd lose is anyone happened to have Unbreakable. However, the MOMENT the third survivor gets downed, all 3 immediately abandon….so in this case the game would be considered a draw? How is this remotely considered an acceptable outcome considering the cirumstances? There's so many reasons DBD can discourage killers from hooking.

Also BHVR should never say what is a Win using Abandoning or that would be advocating exploits for a Win and changing how people should play the game outside of normal Gameplay to Win.

If you mean the new Legendary looks and the new descriptions, then yes, thoes were a really good feature.

But why the hell did they make Rare things blue and Uncommon things green? It's just so backwards.

Seems like it would make more sense to avoid terminology like Win, Loss or Draw, since it doesn't affect MMR and is therefore completely meaningless anyway.

Just call it Abandoned instead.

This really isn't the issue people are making it out to be.

in what universe is leaving the match after the killer has won but before he kills you a draw?

Bhvr has already stated that Plot Twist will not trigger the abandon prompt.

That's great that we're getting the stacking back, I am beyond thrilled, especially since we're still getting the much needed perk buffs, but it is beyond concerning that reverting the rarity changes wasn't mentioned… at all. They are going to revert right… right!

Thank goodness they caught that, at least.

The killers can lose the match because survivors are holding game hostage.

BHVR still isn't make good decisions.

I think this is right, I don't know why they are approaching their communication on this issue like this at all.

A good sign of the problem: based on the thread title the big reveal was supposed to be about haste/hinder. Barely anyone is discussing that because we're all confused about the Abandon system.

No argument from me. I'm just saying I think this has nothing to do with actual wins/losses/draws but instead is a conversation about MMR adjustment results.

"While we ultimately plan on retiring The Compendium, we still want those older challenges to stick around for a while."

Don't you dare :'''(
I set out to complete all the books, don't you dare just take that away.
The new Quest system is generic enough to keep players from actually being invested.

Don't take away the tomes, they were the most brilliant idea of how to implement quests in an interesting way.

That essentially means if all survivors are slugged and they disconnect, the killer won, but it treats the match as MMR neutral, so they say it's a draw when what they really mean is that it's MMR neutral.

Maybe, but this seems to be the opposite of what Mandy said earlier in the thread.

For the last person it sounds like it. But you still get the 3k for killing the other survivors, so it's a win for the killer.

If you've killed the other 3 survivors then your MMR should increase as you still got a 3k so it's a win against those survivors. Apparently for MMR purposes its 1v1v1v1v1.

Sounds like this draw thing will only be a hindrance to those who have slugged everyone for the 4k.

Just catering to one side and not interested in balancing of the game anymore?

Even before one of your biggest anniversaries you’ll ever have to gain a mass new audience being Fnaf.

Poor show,

Yes let’s keep survivor mains new and old abusing haste and second chance perks, Insta Heals.

“So they become reliant on them, And never learn to loop or mindgame or sneak, Basically strategy”

So this one sided power balance keeps going.

We know survivors have the power of the game for ages now.

I thought this was meant to be an horror game.

it’s 4 vs 1 behaviour wake up,

Insta heals, Map offerings, Second chance perks which every 4 man team on coms have each.
Plus healing speeds and gen speeds are mad fast, as well boons!

killers are meant to have an very slight edge, it’s 1 vs 4.

But you keep making bad decisions.

I’ve been playing for 5+ years both sides and this is sad your taking this approach.

Yes let’s keep ruining the game with these toxic habits, Plus the mass influx of survivors hackers too.

Balance the game and bring back the horror aspect back.

This stacking haste should not be allowed period.