Why Go-Next penaltys and Hidden MMR are so important

Go next needs to be addressed. It'll be good because that's less intentional screwing over of other survivors and second, it'll help show the reality of killer kill rates. We have some killer kill rates inflated because survivors literally just don't bother to try and give up the moment they get hooked. Im curious how the killer stats will be once give ups become less common (not entirely removed, sure, but leas common).

If you're only willing to play when you're winning, you should probably not play PVP games. If you'd like to continue, I'd recommend working on improving your own play and learning what others are doing differently. Learning to how to mitigate shared agency is a very important aspect of team games that a lot of people in this community either haven't been exposed to or don't understand. And if you don't want to, thats fine! But you can't expect the game to cater to your impatience directly when there are 4 other players.

You're right. The underlying issue is why players feel like its ok to disrupt the game of 4 other people because they're unwilling to play the hand they're dealt. The go next loophole is just a way for them to bypass the actual preventative system, the DC penalty.

Griefing and working with the killer are bannable offenses. If that fear is real, then might as well start freeing up storage space and getting OBS or similar capture software warmed up. If they can find yet another way around it, thats a failure on BHVR's part.

Go next should be punished indeed, however I'm not on your side regarding to hiding mmr. I personally was always a friend of knowing how good I am, therefore I'm very happy if I'm allowed to see the gametime of other people. So even if it's just an option you have to activate I want to see my own mmr at least, to fix the issue of people abusing it for harrasing people without showing their own it should be coupled: ether you show and see, or you don't, this way everyone plays with open cards. (While we're at it we should also do this for incognito-mode too, it's mostly used to insult people anyways. At least that my experience with it).

Well in the end I know that that probably won't happen because of reason you already explained yourself (so being insulted or skipped), but I can hope I get this option some day xD

I'm slightly nervous about making it a auto-detected penalty

The only way devs can fix that is lowering the skill floor for survivors and raising it for killer so they are better balanced.

The game is massively unbalanced at the moment which is why most survivors think the game is unwinnable

BHVR needs an overhaul of their system. People actually need to be punished for not playing.

If a player cannot go next they will AFK.

If a player cannot AFK they will start sabotaging the game

If a player cannot sabotage the game the will start "roaming" the map doing nothing with the excuse they are stealthing.

All this needs to be addressed at the same time. There isn't just one problem or solution here. I do 100% agree that the go next needs to be addressed but it's a much bigger problem of entitlement and a lack of accountability from players. I'm not even saying punishing players is the solution but the game mechanics in place allow this to be an issue.

I also feel MMR should be visible and more meaningful. A lot of games people have had their head up their ass and when MMR was revealed excuses stopped flying in. Did it get replaced with egotism instead absolutely. At least with the MMR being visible there was no longer excuses on behavior. A lot of people will argue that the game will become more competitive with visible MMR but it already is. Players stagnate in their matchmaking against the same killers all the time, high prestige players constantly have IRI addons so every game is full of the most powerful addon combination on both sides if you play long enough. MMR being visible or not isn't going to change that. I'm prestige 100 on Ace and pretty high Prestige on other killers and I always have the option to use an insta heal or other broken killer addons every game if I wanted to. The issue is everyone else does so eventually I cave and I'm forced to unless I roll the dice in matchmaking and get a nice chill game. MMR in this aspect doesn't affect that.

Isn't it crazy how we've gotten to the point where people say "Survivors should be punished for trying to get into a better match" instead of "Why are survivors doing this so much? Maybe something is wrong with the game." Stockholm syndrome is maxxed out for killer players its wild.
I SWEAR KILLERS AREN'T BROKEN, ITS JUST SURVIVORS THAT ARE BAD!!!!
Top 25% of survivors beat the bottom 60% of killers, the top 35% of killers beat like 99% of survivors, the best 5% killers can beat anyone. You can play killer pretty poorly and still win, whereas you can play survivor nearly-perfect and lose to any killer who has 500+ hours in the game. If you think otherwise, go put even just 100 hours into killer and tell me how often you lose. It's a tiny amount.

MMR should be made tighter and account for more stuff, like how much gen progress you did, how much did you get chased, how many heals you got, and how many hooks you got on the killer side.

If bad match = extremely likely to die as survivor and not complete all gens, then the majority of games are bad matches. I'm not sure which made up problem you're referencing? I don't go-next because I like to try and get better at the game, but are we really upset at people for accelerating the speed at which an already bad match ends for them? When DC penalties exist, which is a good thing, more people go-next. When go-next penalities exist, what happens then? At what point do people draw the line to what behavior is banned and punishable in game?? How do you tell if someone is trying to go-next?? What if they just mess up their hook saves or want to attempt to get off hook? What if they accidentally run into the killer? What if they're trying to die on hook ASAP so the last teammate can get hatch?

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm just confused that if go-nexting is such a big problem, maybe making the game more enjoyable or increasing the skill-based aspect of winning would work as a better deterent for people DCing and dying on purpose. Healing skill checks, wiggle checks, and hook checks serve very little purpose except to try and add some artificial interaction from players.

Intentional griefing still is a bannable offense in DbD, just that hard to distinguish when it's on hooks

Are you implying that survivor (the role that has the lowest escape rate in history of DBD) is at a low point of skill floor compared to how it was in the past? Arguably 6.1.0 was what shifted gameplay balance to the other side, as others have said multiple times in many forum threads?

Im surprised they didnt take the 2v8 cages as a test to see how removing self unhooking (without perks) would go. You get allot less people killing themselves in 2v8 i find.

When Survivors Give up or "Go Nexted" that's actually bad for the killer ur going against because ur giving them Unaccurate Kill Rate that over Nerfs Killers into the ground. It's why Going Next is a problem

I can't speak much for MMR but how exactly can the devs fix the "go next" issue? Someone could just be genuinely caught super early on and may have salty lips to try and get off hook (although I guess we can say the struggle phase doesn't have to be so short if it's not throwing) but idk how that can be implemented in a way that doesn't negatively affect other players who aren't throwing.

The game doesn't have the authority to enforce that tho. Players can attempt the escape as long as the option is there. Perhaps the ability to unhook only shows up after being on the hook for a set amount of time (before second phase) to give survivors time to actually get the save. This is just something I came up with on the spot but I think that might be a solution to this problem