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Kaneki is unfun and out of balance to play against
Kaneki needs a massive nerf or a rework, he is super unfun to go against. It feels there is no positive interactions to his power from the survivor side, his first attack with his power feels cheap and undeserving almost all the time then his follow up with the ability to catch up to you as quick as someone like blight or nurse it just feels like you might as well give up when he finds you.
Most killers are really fun to play against and their powers mostly feel fun to learn to play around but Kaneki just has no downside, almost every game I have had with him a survivor as DCed. Every YouTube video of Kaneki the comment section is complaining about his power, it is on Bhvr's radar? It's at a point now where if I verse one I would rather take the 5 minute DC penalty then to deal with it. The killer is incredibly unhealthy for the game, a killer should have a power a survivor can learn and counter with skill but free hits through walls/pallets/windows is really bad game design then the ability to vault a pallet and insta down you if your injured. It feels like im playing the original legion.
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he's just really good at stomping noobs
when survivors stop getting instakilled in tiles because they cant loop or because they ran the wrong way and didnt have anything, this killer feels pretty balanced.
one of my best chases recently were against various kaneki players carried beyond their skill level and being unable to finish the chase because every tile wastes at least 30 seconds for them and they ego chase.
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My only issue is the free hits though walls. I don't think any killer should get free hits, but I'd be okay with it so long as we can use walls to block it. Some counterplay isn't too much to ask?
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Kaneki needs his enrage vault to get nerfed, i honestly dont mind playing against him because he has to play tiles as a m1 killer, the vault just feels very cheap right now
How i try to play him is by body blocking instead
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I love doing that playstyle so much.
Im genuinely so pissed that devs didnt see this coming and try to balance kaneki around this ridiculously easy fast vault 50/free hit because they didnt want this killer to sell badly and effectively ruined the new movement killer's potential.
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anyone whos half decent at this game easily beats most players theyre matched against. And this shouldnt be possible. kaneki is awful to go against cause of several issues that have been discussed hundreds of times by now. stop pretending otherwise against common sense.
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If you are behind wall he will still get enraged and he wont damge you thats simple, if you get hit through window thats ok many killers can hit over objects.
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The only thing I can think of that needs fixed is the fact that he can use his power through objects. I'm not talking about over objects. Literally though trees, barrels, walls, etc. I'm sure it isn't consistent but there are times I'm behind something and I see his target indicator pop up on me despite having an object between us.
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This post is another kaneki rage bait form someone who cant loop killer while being injure, quite sad ghoul is strong but after all he has to hit you with m1. Looping blight or billy is much harder than looping ghoul even nemesis is harder to loop than ghoul.
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and they beat most players they're matched against because…? oh yeah, right, matchmaking that doesnt measure skill properly.
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vaults windows and pallets with power into m1 faster than wesker. non-existent cancel into m1 after dashing to you from 20m away. 3 rushes to cut off windows and pallets at longer tiles. i don't think you understand what m1 chasing means.
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he's been nerf'd 3 times since his release, if you're still having trouble with him idk what to tell you
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I'd sooner uninstall the game than play against this killer. Nothing about it was designed well or with fun in mind when playing against it. The kit is cheap and feels awful when you have an auto-aim long-range free hit/deep wound while locking them in place. The bugs are numerous and unresolved. I've gotten survivors trapped in windows and cancelled my dash mid-jump to get a hit. Overall, a horrible killer, I hope Behavior feels ashamed and ultimately changes them.
P.S. "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!"
If you don't want to hear constant screaming, you'll need to pay them 15 dollars of in-game currency.0 -
That may be how it's supposed to be, but we all know, in game that isn't the case.
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Faster yes but he is slower than wesker recovering after vault, when he is trying to cut you of you have two options just bait him like nurrse and run back from where he rushed or other direction or if there are many view blockers like on indoormap then run them an force him follow just with base speed. When he vault and you arent on the window palett you have plenty time to make atleast another round on loop. Idk why you are so fed up with him he does something better than wesker thats fact but overall he is still much weaker than blight who can do more all kaneki can and more, take shack yes ghoul can cut you of with power but same can do blight and his counterplay is very small and limited when he does it. Just think when you loop him and dont try same thing block point of view on your locations and hold shift+W that wont work on him much.
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I havent seen or get any bug with him after five nights at freddys patch, he is strong but he has much more counterplay than blight and nurse thats it.
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Well i dont think ist super easy to pull something like that on kaneki you need to be fast and accurate, if ada was more experienced than all she had to do was just run back after the first rush and she would be safe for some time.
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then Kaneki could still simply jump in front of her instead, which is easy with no slide and outcome is exactly same?
You say she can double back, but Kaneki can deal with that anyway. In that situation she was just dead, Kaneki just need to jump in front of the way, where she is facing and she can't turn around fast enough with has short his fatigue is.0 -
If he's doing things at loops better than wesker then he's not m1 chasing and doesnt deserve those abilities if he gets mobility and free auto aim injures.
Blight isn't a good standard for balance either.
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He would need react super fast which isnt easy and tbh this kind of loop isnt safe against bunch of killers. He jumped infront of her but if she double backed then he cant make it to block her and he would most likely hit her with power wich means he pulls toward her and gets long cooldown much longer then vaulting enraged. He cant use his leap few meters in front of him that can be seen before he leaps he is looking on what thing he can pull himself and he can do it on the end of the car but he starts with fence because he didnt know if he could pull himself towards the car. So again if she double backed he would need to pull himself to the fence or her or end power thats all.
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Well most people hate him even blight is still second strongest killer and they still say he is ok and his hug tech wasnt op or broken. He is not always better on loops than wesker, he cant down you with power like wesker and wesker is harder thats fact, blight could do the same in that ada situation at worst he would get palett out or he could do it easy way and break the pallet normaly and then dash her down with easy if she didnt have lythe but I think it woundnt matter at that point.
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Survivor does not turn instantly, so not that hard to do imo. She can either double back, or hold W, but Kaneki is in power to stop both of it on reaction (at least on PC), so outcome depends on him more than her. Her skill does not affect much here.
Fact is his power is strong to down survivors and also gives free injuries… The whole "he has free injury, but is then M1 killer as Legion" is joke at this point.4 -
Only reason he is that strong is the fack he has good mobility which he can use get clouse to survivors or even block them and then smack them. That free injury isnt that free as some people claim, they still think he can hit you 5 meters trough walls but thats long gone and sometimes when he leaps toward you and you get behind something he wont hit you only gets enraged.
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If survivor doesn't take into consideration that Kaneki can gain distance by bouncing and positioning himself in better spot then it's purely on survivor.
He is a killer who can use walls or other solid objects if they are near the loop and body block survivor. Survivor should either position self better or consider moving somewhere else.
Not every loop guarantees safety against every killer. Some killers can force survivors out of the loop sooner or make loop entirely unsafe. Knowing which one is better is the part of experience that survivor players can gain by playing more games against the killer.
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Pre-dropping a pallet would had worked better ( or stunning him with it since he was willing to commit the chase ). There wasn't really that much space for circling around and killer was lucky that survivor decided to stick to that loop instead which allowed him to position self in front of survivor, blocking access to the pallet and then getting an M1 Lunge Attack.
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Survivor should either position self better or consider moving somewhere else
Where exactly? Where was the better?
She can't camp and drop pallet, because that's free down for him.
She can't try to leave, because he can easily catch up. There is nothing really close that loop, except hold W around the building for almost same car loop, which was impossible for her.Not every loop guarantees safety against every killer.
Knowing which one is better is the part of experience that survivor players can gain by playing more games against the killer.
Sure, but usually there is something safe to do against each killer. Not really true for Kaneki tho. What is really safe to use against him?
Hold W? not even close
God pallets? not even those
Windows? Basically every Kaneki has Bamboozle…
I would love to learn some tips how to chase Kaneki, because from my experience there is not much to do. So what is better? So far every Kaneki defender can only give vague advice with nothing specific, which is quite telling imo.3 -
Blight & nurse are the same, they are unfun & yet they don't get nerfed, why? Bc unfun & nerfing are too separate things,
You can have fun with a underpowered character when you have skills to pull back (sometimes tho even that's not enough) but you can also play a op character & not have fun eith it, having fun is all personal playstyle & interpretation, nerfing is regarding something else entirely, just bc it's fun or not doesn't mean it needs a nerf/buff, just saying
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TBH survs won't be happy until he has a 60m terror radius, is slower than hag, and takes 30 seconds to charge his power. And even then people will still complain.
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As you can see in this clip he has absolutely no movement speed reduction during his cooldown after power.
Ada had absolutely no chance to do anything here because he can cancel power faster than you can make it around even the smallest loops.
A killer with free first hits should not also be getting free downs. His design seems like it was intended to mimic Legion - they wanted him to go get those free hits / slowdown by hopping around the map to find other survivors, but then just made it so utterly easy to down no one even bothers with that playstyle.
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ok, vaulting back is actually pretty good tip. I will have to try that.
Waiting under pallet works if he used leap to get there, not really if he just pulled his power for it (delay before attack is very small)1 -
Keep in mind Kaneki gets a free hit / down if you're near them during a vault. You'd need to have perfect ping and perfect timing to pull that off.
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"It's only fun whenever I win, so nerf everything so I always win because I don't really want to have to compete."
Fixed it for you.
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You need to be near vault basically in middle of his animation, if you are then it doesn't matter how far you run, it will hit you. I have made a post about it.
If you get back later, you will not be downed.1 -
It's only fun when something has meaningful counterplay.
Kaneki has a lower skill floor than Legion. What you really should be saying is "It's only fun when I can get free downs with a power that requires zero skill or effort to use."
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Please send me clips of you body blocking survivors like that if its free, it actually takes skill to pull this off this is like playing around a wesker or billy around a loop, this is only possible on certain loops and takes a lot of mechanica skill to pull off. Otherwise ghoul is a free injure m1 killer with a movement power with an overtuned vault(which needs to get nerfed)
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Ive done blocks like this countless of times already, you mess a lot of them up dont get me wrong because its very hard to consistently pull off, but ive had games with multiple blocks.
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If the ada knew i was going for that block she couldve looped the rock side of that loop. Ghoul needs a second grapple point thats close to a loop to body block .
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People tend to forget he isnt skill less and blocks like thins especialy on smaler loops need quick and accurate aim, you can easily hit the survivor hitbox or miss. Funniest think is he will be second hated character in the game while more op and stronger killers like blight and nurse can outplay you in this situation in more ways and all it matters is they need to miss or misjudge the situation. Many survivors cry more about skullmerchant nor trickster forgeting the fact if your team doesnt fail its easy 2 amn out at worst.
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If all you can do is downvote and not get a quick clip of something thats supposed to be "really easy" it already tells me enough
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I dare them to do the same thing (they wont)
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I'm not paying extra money for licensed characters. Half my play time in this game is killer; it doesn't take a genius level IQ to look at the numbers and see that every single other mobile killer has a delay / slow after using power.
Here's the direct comparison with Legion, who has a power that's essentially the same thing, again:
Legion: 2.5 second fatigue at 2.3m/s
Kaneki: 2 second cooldown at 4.6m/s
You should absolutely be able to use his power to block pallets and windows, that's awesome skill expression. You shouldn't be able to jump next to someone on the smallest loops in the game and still land free downs when you already have a free first hit, slowdown, and top tier mobility.
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This is the problem with asking for nerfs about a character you never touched. How can you call something "0 skill free downs" when you dont even own the character? "Looking at the stats" doesnt mean anything when both killers play a completely different way. Also its really funny that you brought up Legion who has been terrible ever since he released. Both Legion and kaneki has different strengths Legion can injure the entire team way easier and much faster on top of being able to down with their power, if they get 4 frenzy hits. Kaneki has a 8 second cooldown where he has an animation every time he grab injures you. Kaneki is undeniably stronger then Legion because his mobility and chase are way better.
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He’s fun to play as but miserable to play against.
It’s because of crap like this;
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What? It definitely needs skill to use, and there are mountains of videos of survivors beating Kaneki. It's just time for survivors to get better at the game instead of needing constant nerfs.
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This is his enrage vault bug that shouldve been hotfixed out in the first patch
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I'd rather play against 20 Kanekis in a row than another freaking Springtrap.
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Agreed, this killer is running rampant against especially with Springtraps novelty wearing off every game is back to being Kaneki. He is too easy to play and the fact everyone is playing him shows. Needs a massive nerf.
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