BHVR, Let killers abandon once exit gates open PLEASE

How about this….

The devs give you end game abandon option, but in exchange they balance escape rates at 50% average.

That's a fair trade.

Currently being teabagged at exit gate is your punishment for losing as the power role.

Also, that last part is half a joke because I never BM the killer during the match nor at the end unless he BMs me during the match and I manage to escape (like shaking your head after down, humping me on ground, hitting me on hook, aggressive tunneling/slugging/proxy camping. Pull any of that garbage on me and I'm celebrating the entire end game collapse 😂

If all survivors are slugged they can abandon immediately to save their time not the killers time. The killer still needs to find and hook every one of them to end the match.

Killer's want a similar function when exit gates are open and THEY feel no reason to continue and don't want to walk cross map to force survivors out.

But killers can't have this because? Because they can walk to both exits to push them out? Because they can wait out a timer? Because they could still catch a survivor?

What if a survivor has an unused unbreakable or other perk that can pick them up? What if a survivor has an offering or perk that allows them to kobe? Are you willing to disable the abandon option for them if even the slightest chance exists to get back up and continue? I expect not. I expecting the response to be, survivors have no chance and should be allowed to abandon.

It's not a false equivalence, give killers the option or stop saying the abandon feature is there to save time.

I guess so

The killer can’t reliably force the survivors out, if the survivors are purposely hiding in random parts of the map.

I don’t know why people keep saying the same strawman argument, that the survivors would always be conveniently waiting at the exit gates, so the killer can easily force them out of the game.

It's not the same thing, so it's treated differently. As the killer, you can open the gate and force EGC. The survivor bleedout timer is longer, and killers can circumvent it by juggling slugged players and prolonging the bleedout. The EGC timer is finite.

The killer can’t reliably force the survivors out, if the survivors are purposely hiding in random parts of the map.

If they're hiding then the killer hunts them down and potentially gets a kill out of it. When the doors are open, the likely hood of a survivor hiding anywhere but the hatch or in the open door just to tick off the killer is practically nil. None of us have seen it and we been here since 2017.

I don’t know why people keep saying the same strawman argument, that the survivors would always be conveniently waiting at the exit gates, so the killer can easily force them out of the game.

Because in this specific scenario people often argue about survivors t-bagging at the gate. Obviously you need survivors in said gate for this to happen.

Here's the differences:

1: Killer can force survivors out, survivors lack the ability to do anything.

2: The ability to draw a line when the game is over. All survivors downed, hooked, or dead the chances of any escapes at that point is incredibly small. Killers don't have a similar line, kills can still be achieved quite readily after the gates are powered or open.

The only point that the game is truly over is when all remaining survivors are at the open gate, but wherever BHVR draws the line survivors could BM slightly farther away from that. This would lead to BHVR spending time implementing a change that would have no impact because those who want to BM still can.

3: The game doesn't change for the killer. If the game did not tell the killer the survivors had abandoned, they would rarely know the difference, while a player killer vs. bot killer is very different.

4: BHVR has yet to put in bot killers for all the killers (to my understanding), so the match would just end. This would prevent survivors from finishing quests/tomes or getting the extra BP if they care about that like a killer can.

5: The survivors can end up in their situation through no BM. A killer who has one dead, finds a survivor, downs them, sees another, chases and downs them, and then spots the 3rd chases and downs them, is not BMing, its normal, even if this example would be rare (I was just in a situation like this though so its on my mind), gameplay. But the first two downed survivors could be waiting around doing nothing. No one has done anything wrong here, but its the type of pointless thing games should address.

BHVR resisted an abandon option for a long time and only put it in place when the match is truly, absolutely over. Maybe they should rethink and expand on possibilities for both sides, but right now the two scenarios are very, very different.

When the doors are open, the likely hood of a survivor hiding anywhere but the hatch or in the open door just to tick off the killer is practically nil. None of us have seen it and we been here since 2017.

What you on? I see this all time. Usually in pairs so they can tank a hit if found.

Well abandoning a match as killer when Survivors haven't escaped counts as them not Escaping even if they it shows they escaped in the results screen.

I discovered this when it first time when I needed a Quest that no one can escape and when I abandoned it gave it to me basically counting as no one escaped

Your telling us that when the doors are open, survivors are just scooting off to a random corner of the map, just to kill time and annoy the killer, and hide is a common occurrence?

Not in the time we've been playing.

Not random corners. Near enough to make it out if found.

While more reasonable than the other one, still not once just to kill time and not quite the "impossible to find" we're lead to believe.

The difference comes in points:

1. The game hasn't ended since we don't know where everyone is or what could happen. Ik one of us purposely opens the door as pig when there's an active trap on hook. There's a whole endgame to play out. Yes we get it optional but it brings to the next point.
2. If it end up like how survivors use it very few are actually going to cross the escape threshold. Just like how people rately mori an actual player in the end, just a bot. Anticlimactic ends all round.
3. Sets a bad standard. This one is about more personal than the others so feel free to disregard it but it kills the motivation to keep going and actually play the endgame. When people have a option to quit many take it as the current abandon feature shows. It's then going to spread out to the next "time waster" or something. The lines need drawn somewhere.

Still bring up what ifs like it matters anymore. If a Pig opens a door why would she then abandon? The ask is for a choice not a manditory end.

Sets a bad standard. This one is about more personal than the others so feel free to disregard it but it kills the motivation to keep going and actually play the endgame. When people have a option to quit many take it as the current abandon feature shows. It's then going to spread out to the next "time waster" or something. The lines need drawn somewhere.

That bad standard has already been set. The line has already been drawn. If the means of escape are available and the killer no longer feels the need to proceed, then why not give an option to leave?

The Ifs are the point of the game. For example IF you catch a survivor early then you can potentially snowball. IF the survivors make a good play then they can turn a game around like in Chuckingwong's post. If people have the option to quit then they can repeatedly use it

A line has been drawn, now people are going to keep trying to move it. A view of the bad standard is drawn, but it can keep moving. Where's the stop sign? Over the cliff?

If the means of escape are available and the killer no longer feels the need to proceed, then why not give an option to leave?

We've said why. You may not like what we said, but we told ya. And unlike the survivor version, it's not even about the possibility of holding people semi hostage.

There's a double standard, because survivors want killers to be their toys they can mess with. Survivors complained about how killers could waste up to 4 minutes of their time, but always defend wasting up to 2 minutes of a killer's time.

Some are bring up hypotheticals as reasons why killers should have to stay until all survivors escape. My argument has been that doesn't matter. What options may or may not exists once the gates are opened, the killer should have the option to concede (abandon).

Yes, some see this as a slippery slope but don't realize we are already sliding.