Survivor gameplay has become Frustrating

Obviously more to it than that with skill checks of varying difficulty depending on hexes and since you are stuck in one spot for what feels like forever next to a loud noisemaker waiting for the killer to wander on over to find you. Then if you aren't a total idiot you'll be doing gens that need to get done, so you don't leave a 3 gen strat or dangerous gens left for end game. You know what - maybe killers should have to hit skill checks while carrying someone to the hook. Killers don't have to deal with enough skill checks.

Killer was way easier for me than solo survivor - but it is more boring, you basically play all killers the same way - find survivors, down survivors. There's at least some variety with random groups seeing if you can get that exit gate open.

@Wolf74

I don't see how you can call reducing pallet numbers, proximity to each other and removal of the pallet vacuum QoL. And those changes absolutely reduced the chase time.

If I have enduring and spirit fury and spirit fury is active, I can hit a full health survivor through a pallet, I'm stunned for 1 second and then have the second hit on them in 3 seconds. Chase time reduced. You say drop the pallet early? That means they went around that loop less times than they used to be able to. Chase time reduced.

That's just one example.

The games I get "gen rushed" are when I'm not focusing on survivors that are on gens. When I down and hook someone, I don't hard or soft camp, I go to the gen I either see a survivor on think they are on. When their team unhooks, I don't race back to the hook, I focus on spreading pressure to keep survivors off of the gens.

That doesn't mean I never have a game that doesn't feel like it was over fast. But usually those games I made too many mistakes and sometimes, I just face survivors that are better than me.

@MhhBurgers Wait - did Baefu start streaming again? (Sorry for the off-topic)

No one plays like that, maybe in some swf.

Yeah. I think bp offering in general should be 100% for a brown, 150% for yellow, and 200% for green. You spend 3k for a brown bp offering and at most you're only going to gain 4k for a net of 1k bp. Most games you're probably at a net loss. What in the hell is even the point to use them other than that they're in your inventory.

So much wasted offerings and items in the blood web. Why is a brown tool box 3k and also and add-on to increase charges by 15 also 3k. That doesn't even make sense. Honestly, I'd just prefer to spend 25k per level of perk and find items in-game.

I get that the grind is important in keeping players playing the game, but it really is out of hand.

I agree with your loss assessment. Personally, I rarely get less than a 2k, even at rank 1. I doubt I go up against less SWFs than you, as I don't dodge lobbies unless the ping on multiple survivors is red.

I don't want in game voice comms and I disagree with you that this is the only way to close the gap between SWF and solo. Also, if you are reading the posts between the the OP and now, you'll see I also stated once the gap is much less, there may need to be more tweaks to the survivor/killer balance.

@Maximus7

Here was the post with some of the things I've seen suggested that I feel will help without buffing SWF because they can get it through comms. There are many more ideas out there.

I to have played rank 1 on both sides for multiple seasons. I find the new rank system easier to level up on killer than survivor, mostly because I have to compete for rank points with three other survivors.

Yep there are some bad survivors. They need to improve. I'm not saying you said you don't, but if a killer can't on average, kill 2 people in a match, you need to git gud. A 2 kill average would be balance.

Yep I believe it is harder to do against an SWF than a solo because solo lacks information that SWF has. I definitely do not feel it is because SWF players have more skill because I have seen some great solos and some terrible SWF survivors.

"you went too far with buffing killers to the point that every single match is now an atrocity"

Wrong.

"I played 17 games today as survivor, I escaped 3... I BAD WORD escaped three times."

This is a skill issue. I'm escaping probably 90% of my games at red ranks.

"pls make this game fun for survivor as well ..."

I think you are mixing up the word survivor with killer.

Points 1 and 2 are the only ones with any actual validity to them and I can agree on.

here's my opinion on your 3 main points:

1- there is multiple reasons for that. one being, that you gain many BPs if you have a lot of action going on. no action = few BP. as an example: sitting on a gen for 80 seconds, holding M1 = 1250 BPs. pressing space at the right time in a chase = 1000 BP. Since there are 4 Survivors, the amount of points is split up between the 4 of them, while the single killer has the entire BP pool for himself. also, the Killers point cathegories are all about chasing (hooking, chasing, using the power during a chase, breaking defences down). the survivors cathegories are each one a seperate task (healing, repairing, chasing and surviving). its only logical that the kiler will make more points...

2- that needs to be adressed and fixed asap.

3- survivors are still the superior role though. imo a single survivor should not be enough to overpower the killer by looping them and wait for the genrush to happen.

Assuming survivors stack all the powerful perks, yeah it can be easy, but I don't do that in the hopes of getting better. It hasn't worked so far, but I don't use Self-Care, Exhaustion perks, any form of stun, endurance, or killer aura reading perks (though I occasionally run Spine Chill). My big choices are Borrowed Time, Kindred, Empathy, Lightweight, We'll Make It, Botany Knowledge, Technician (which is broken atm), and sometimes WGLF so I can learn the perks of new characters I unlocked.

It really sucks with some killers, especially in the lower ranks where they're running all the nasty perks together. On top of a team of solos who try to help, but often I die on 1st hook since no one ever comes to rescue (or maybe they just dislike Jane? I can't see that, she's awesome). I'm also really, really bad. Killers have it so easy against people of my skill level yet the rank system is designed such that I'm purple and people expect better of me. I actually set a new record of chase today so I am making progress, but it's not like killer's don't have strong perk combinations either.

Good killers vs. overly-altruistic teammates is a bad combo. The thing is, you want your teammates to be really helpful, just not to the point where you're all laying there dead because you couldn't hold back for a few moments. I wish for a perkless mode, or maybe a week where everyone plays without them so we each can see how it runs, how powerful the perks actually are, and which ones we'd like to use. Information can be a powerful tool in a game like this, so do you take those (Bond, Kindred, Dark Sense, etc) or do you take DS, Self Care, Sprint Burst, or something that helps you deal with the killer directly? It's good to have a big pool so the choice is difficult and therefore more important. If there were only a couple, everyone would be the same and every match would as well.

As a survivor main I find him fun to play against.