Lightweight + Ghost Notes needs to be nerfed.

Perks aren't the only things Survivors have vs. tunneling though. Tunneling is a strategy (not a basekit anything), and thus is itself countered by opposing strategies. The problem is these opposing strategies often need high team coordination to be effective, which is why comp DBD not only works around tunneling, but insists on it being a key part of the game.

Is tunneling disproportionately effective in SoloQ? Yes, but not because tunneling is inherently too effective, it's because SoloQ often doesn't/is incapable of employing the usual defences available to Survivor to cramp the effectiveness of tunneling, and thus require perks to make up the difference (that almost all get banned in comp DBD). Camping is the same, and by the numbers, camping is an unbelievably dire strategy... but it works in SoloQ because SoloQ often take the bait. I swear SoloQ are allergic to generators sometimes.

Regarding the matter at hand, the killer has a reduced field of vision, and needs to reposition in order to see anything, this allows survivors to make distance while the killer figures out where they are. Killers have Predator that helps with this, maybe I'm All Ears... but that is about it.

The problem, as always, is being able to make distance this way is disproportionately effective against killers that can't catch back up effectively, and largely immaterial to killers who can. The perks that helps the killer here are good for killers who can recover distance really quickly, or hit through walls... Nurse, Blight and Pyramid Head.

What makes this combo in my opinion too much, is it is basically permanently on, as a result of being an effect granted from the survivor doing what they normally would anyway.

It would work better if it was flipped around, where become exhausted disables the effect, so Survivors have a very good stealth build and can play stealthy, but can't gain monstrous distance with exhaustion as a trade off. This then makes the passive exhaustion recovery make sense.

An alternative option is it cpuld be a totem effect that gets turned off when you get injured, like Overzealous.

I don't think my argument falls apart at all… because if I am gonna lose you on a mobile killer consistently, I'm sure as hell gonna lose you on a 4.6m/s killer considerably more often.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary the likes of Wesker or Blight is gonna lose you more often than the likes of Demogorgon or Nemesis..

If you manage to ditch me on any of these killers, these faster killers can afford to rush to try to cut you off and are more capable of determining where you can't possibly have gone... whereas m1 and alike cannot reposition quickly to do the same and thus have to give up on finding you.

In a similar vein if I ever do mange to catch a glimpse of you in the distance, it simply takes more time to move to close you down on an m1 killer with a decent chance I can lose you again, whereas faster killers can close that gap very quickly and are more likely to stick on you.

If any of that is wrong, I would like to know how it is.

Come on man, I'm not making an unreasonable point. You can't have a combo that gives survivors a permanent and passive means of completely nullifying a standard game mechanic for the killer side. Even Hex: Crowd Control and Hex: Blood Favour, which are both very strong perks that deny a fundamental Survivor mechanic have at least got the grace of being something the survivor team can disable right from the word go, and permanently for the rest of the trial.

I play majority of my games on Survivor man, and even I can see that is just bad design. I gave a solution that would mean the Survivor actually has do something for the strong effect, which even you yourself agree is strong. I even gave them an effect that creates some nice synergies. Lightweight, Ghost Notes, and some combination of Overzealous/Sprint Burst/Circle of Healing/DarkTheory would be a nice little build.

Surely you can do better than supporting an obviously broken effect with no downside just so you can experience the same power trip you hate killers for, without even being the power role…

U gotta be the most biased player I've ever seen on forums before. Always glazing survivor on the daily

Have you even seen these two perks in action? You're scratch marks disappear in around 3 seconds. Pair that with light footed and and you're completely untraceable outside of aura reading and killer instinct.

…when you provided an example of "stealth" and said it was OP without providing a good reason. That's what a complaint is. That's what that word means.

Hang on, let me see if I can find it… Ah! Here we are:

If only there were perks that completely counteract gen perks and better. Eh hem, Deja Vu, Overzealous, Prove Thyself. But thats ok, if you're doing bad with everything else, you can always just run this broken ass build and never get found, plus with what I said in the first comment, you're completely untraceable. Talk about "killer sided game"

Have you tried Blood Amber keys with Distortion my guy?

Its actually cracked, and a much fairer version of this gameplay style because it's limited and you actually have to do something/use your head for the value.

This is the kind of thing that is good for the game where you get a strong effect, but limited uses of it... not having a permanent effect that never turns offs. That was the problem of old MFT.

Even killers don't get their pain res/pop/hexes forever, and killers have only 4 perks in play that the Survivors have to figure out vs. the Killers 16. Any permanent boosts to killer mechanics are relatively small, even their permanent builds like the super window vault or pallet break builds need 2 or 3 perks to really get effective, and even then are meme builds that also comes with downside of being stunned for longer by pallets or having to lose 3 or 4 gens to really start paying value.

It isn't a double standard, permanently active (or effectively permanent) effects need to come with effective trade offs.

Hardened and calm spirit exist buddy. Still no excuse.

If you say so.

I mean I'd say a free aura on the killer to ensure you win a mind game the moment you lose LoS, and at the same time you block your own aura and disable your own scratch marks on demand? Seems a pretty strong effect to me, especially on effectively a 15s cool down for each stack of Distortion. You said yourself this effect on Lightweight and Ghost Notes is strong to reliably lose even high tier killers for the sacrifice of 2 perks slots, not sure why suddenly its weak now, especially when you also get the killers aura at the same time.

You sacrifice a Commodius toolbox and BNP, or a Medkit and a Syringe, those are pretty hefty sacrifices granted, but these are 1 hit wonders, also requiring a perk slot like Botany/Resurgence or Built to Last if you want multiple uses. Reliably extending chase and even losing the killer completely in chase multiple times doesn't look like a slouch in that line, especially considering in can masssively help you get away from a killer returning to hook undetected if they try to tunnel… because you can pop this on demand for an aura read and disable your scratch marks. It's effectively a self Babysitter… especially with Sprint Burst which resets your exhaustion off hook… doesn't exactly sound bad to me.

...well I think of several reasons why I'd prefer this over Fog Vials, I've already said a bunch of them, but I'll leave it there. I don't feel like you're particularly open to exploring opinions outside your own.

While it's been a fun topic to debate, getting ones points completely ignored and getting "countered" with a single line that has numerous holes in its logic, it's becoming tedious putting in the effort for the discussion to go nowhere.

Peace.