So still no ghoul changes huh?

Wait what, why does ghoul need nerfs? :D lmao he is not even the top killrate right now, not even close… The only reason you want nerfs is cause many ppl are playing him and you just dont want to learn how to counter em. If you still cant at this point, that is a you issue, not a ghoul issue.

Yes, he gets an easy/free first hit. After that he is just a mobile M1 tho… M1 as in you can loop that shiz for 5 gens if you actually know how to run loops…

If you rly have that much trouble with em, just equip windows and start chaining all the yellows. I promis you he will leave you fast, unless he WANT to be run for 5 gens.

The only reason Ghoul is still somewhat high on this chart is cause people literally DC EVERY MATCH to him.

My dude, you know you have controls to turn around and run a different direction right? Do you even look behind you to see where he is leaping?

Also, there is nothing "fan made" about Nightlight stats. They are just a smaller pool of matches its picked from.

Ok now I know you are just trolling and not that great at the game. if you have nothing to run to, that means one of your teammates alrdy pre dropped everything for some reason. Almost every map has so many pallets, you literally cannot run out unless you predrop all of them.

just an idea, try to play ghoul for yourself and see how NOT easy he is. At least not at top MMR. have fun having to master his leaps for about 1000 hours before you get anywhere near of what you speak of :D the cooldown will not help you against all the squads up there. I promis you.

As someone who has created a LOT of constructive feedback. It doesnt help.
With this PTB, that's literally killer number 2 that gets free injuries without any skill needed to do so, without any downsides to it. On top of that having an ability like Krasue that on paper sounds fair, but its extremely easy to turn a non-damaging ability into a damaging one.

Plague has free injures, but she's an m1 killer untill she gets her power from a basin, which is limited to how often survivors cleanse. Legion has relatively free injures, but its relatively difficult to use his power to get downs.

Like, imagine Doctor got the ability to use his Static Blast to injure survivors that were madness T2 or higher. That would instantly make him an A tier killer, if not higher.

Constructive feedback has proven to not be the best way of getting change to happen. They literally didnt even adjust the kidnap tech untill outrage on a stream that happened 7 months after release. Despite 7 months worth of constructive feedback, it was 10 minutes of frustrated yelling that got the attention to actually get changed.

And just for the mods: that's not an invite to start yelling for change. But this definitely is a sign that BHVR should streamline their processes again, because this is 2019 DBD again, where yelling on streams worked while forum feedback was mainly ignored. We want 2020-2021 DBD back, where forum feedback actually had notable impact and screaming on stream wasnt neccesary.
As someone who works in IT, I know for a fact that Ghoul should have been a high priority case on the backlog due to how often people complain about playing against him, and due to how often he is being played. Yet he is being treated as if people play him as much as people play Twins.
That alone is indicative that someone either purposely is ignoring things, some stakeholder(possibly license holder) has a lot of influence to keep Ghoul as he is now, or messages never reach the backlog.
I genuinely hope that the license holder is the main reason Ghoul isnt getting changes, because the other 2 are worse.

Ghoul is balanced compared to Vecna and Krasue, at least he should earn his downs it's not a free hit like Vecna, Krasue

I'm talking about new Vecna not DnD Vecna - for me he is almost an m1 killer with fly option (which is fun to vs) rest spells are meh without addons

No Krasue is still not okay since she hits after vaults especially when she is on ping

I see he is so broken he is very annoying to play against like how are we suppose to pallet stun him for challenges? Devs are forgot that challenges exists it feels like they are all work on different rooms without communicating to each other :)

It was basically a mini-vigil against mangled for some reason.

The time invested was not worth for the reward.

So one day the community manager in discord asked if we should rework the perk to what we have now.

This also came with heavy backlash since everyone loved the teases and sables lore.

i miss when the devs changed perks or actually buffed them if they were not worth at all to run.

Im guessing due to being a licensed killer that is why they have been much more hesitant to nerf him. If he was an original chapter I have no doubt he would've been skull merchanted by now

As someone who has created a LOT of constructive feedback. It doesnt help.

Thats not how feedback works. You have no idea if your ideas might have led to multiple hour long internal debates on whether it would work or not, or if they were just discarded as complaining before even being read. That's my point. The best thing you can do when providing feedback is to make it as constructive and open ended as possible, and reverting to petulant complaining is a surefire way to get it discarded. In a system where the only real possible feedback would be getting your way and seeing your changes ingame, I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Yeah ghoul still got pretty big nerfs from how he was at the beginning. Maybe nerf some of his add ons if must to nerf something.

I am a firm believer that Ghoul doesn’t need nerfs.
Ghoul gets a free injury and has good mobility, but he needs an m1 down.

Don’t hold W, that’s what Ghoul counters, just get as much use out of a loop as possible.

I'm of the same opinion. only problem is that there seems to be a divide between mobility killers like Ken and Blight and then everyone else. the pallet density update is what was needed for Ken but then you have worse killers who can't play with that many pallets. I feel we are in a struggle of getting the balance right. are we balancing the game for Ken bring the average killer, or Trapper?

a lot of my frustrations eith Ken came from the dead zones and inability to use anything.

They shouldn't be looking at data alone? When 99% of the user base hates going against the killer they should take that into consideration

So it was explained that Freddy the reason he was so high is because he was a noob stomper he thrived in low mmr but in high mmr he's bad

Bro you and I have done this song and dance already I'm just going to say this then it's done.

Yes Ghoul is more hated then old skull merchant ever was there is also people in this VERY THREAD explaining and linking other similar post topics with substantial substance on why Ghoul is majorly hated by everyone.

If dbd ran a Global official poll for everyone to Vote on most hated Killer it would be Ghoul who would win.

Blight needs a nerf first tho, Remove his tokens after he break pallets and 4.4 basemovement which will also apply in his rushes and then u wont have to touch his addons then, also ghoul mending should be removed. only if he hit u 2 times with m2 then u should be considered mended.

You know who hasn't forgotten SM? People who would like to play her as a functioning, viable killer. But hey, maybe they'll figure it out by the 20th rework in another 40 years.

And if that was how your preferred playstyle (since killers are more than skins, and no I'm not talking about the peak of her infamous design issues) was treated, would you be ok with that level of scraps? She isn't even the first killer that happened to, Freddy was dumpstered for years before even a single update to address any of his issues, which were the results of panic nerfs.

Why not instead FIX the issues that people specifically get frustrated with?

Most of the times when i play Ghoul and i win its due to survivors just running straight. Yeah i catch up fast if you run straight and i get my downs.

If survivors tries to play around pallets and walls i have much harder time getting the down. Also remember ghoul loses a token when having to break a pallet.

Ghoul doesnt "hinder" you. Yes they stop you from moving when they get hit, but you end up getting the same distance anyways because ghoul goes into his enrage mode and stops moving. Does it feel like you get hindered.. kinda yeah but you do get the same distance as you would with other killers who don't stop to yell and enrage after that hit.

Most survivors don't even know that they can vault into ghoul when ghoul jumps over a pallet. They just keep running straight and yes its a down.

Is Ghoul a strong killer. Yes. Are there stronger killers in the game and even more frustrating. Yes.

I really recommend all of you who are shouting the same thing over and over here to play ghoul, and i mean actually play. Don't play 1-2 matches with low MMR 2 hour survivors. Go against actually good survivors with thousands of hours and then come to tell how strong Ghoul is.

I'm all for balance in this game, and i play survivor 80% of the day nowdays, and its frustrating to see these " nerf this nerf that topics" when large amount of survivor players won't even bother to learn and counterplay.