So still no ghoul changes huh?

Good take but I don´t think so.

Even if low and high MMR would be mixed together… There are other Killers which are much worse to handle in low and high MMR than Freddy.

Sadako played on condem is still pretty strong, as is Twins on full slug or Xenobite with the box.

I can get reasons (even if they are a**pulls) why every Killer could be there. Only Freddy is a mystery for me.

Both sides are right and wrong at the same time.

Survivors: Is Ghoul annyoing to go against? Yes he is. Is Ghoul a insta death or worthy to dc? No he is not.

Killers: Is Ghoul a strong and funny Killer? Yes he is. Is Ghould easy to outplay or funny to go against? No he is not.

Yeah but that is harder to archive than you think.

I play from time to time with a larger group of friends and you would laugh with which nerfs some people come around without realising that that is the "thing" that the Killer does.

Examples:

• Couldn´t Trappers traps be brighter?
• Why is Wraith so fast when he is cloacked?
• Why do Clowns bottles slow so much?

Well… it is kinda their thing… and to scrap this… even it would be much easier for Survivors would render the Killer roaster as a bunch of M1 Killers.

Btw I am not saying that it is fine that Ghouls CD is that short. But to say "Well he can catch up fast" Is difficult because… if you take him that… he would be a weaker Legion in most of its kit. Well yes he has auto lock in. But without mobility he could only hurt one survivor at time.

Oh I am not from the other side. I am nearly a full survivor main because I get panik to play as Killer.

But I like to see the bigger Picture or atleast I try to.

I am not sure if the Auto grab is fair but if you would say it should work like Deathslinger or Xenomorph… well you would have people complain about reycled Killer trash. One of them would be stronger at this and so they would call the Killer "Oh look there is the wanna be XY"

Oh I know what you mean.

It is like Skull Merchant.

I am still standing on my opinion that after the 8 Gen Regression and that you couldn´t be scanned while working on a gen would have been enough. It was constructive feedback and would let her live.

Well the only thing we got were outcrys and she got nerfed out of existance and I think… that was the point were the crying about everything started. You can read this on this forum very often. "New Killer releases" Well give him Skull Merchant treatment.

Im guessing due to being a licensed killer that is why they have been much more hesitant to nerf him. If he was an original chapter I have no doubt he would've been skull merchanted by now

As someone who has created a LOT of constructive feedback. It doesnt help.

Thats not how feedback works. You have no idea if your ideas might have led to multiple hour long internal debates on whether it would work or not, or if they were just discarded as complaining before even being read. That's my point. The best thing you can do when providing feedback is to make it as constructive and open ended as possible, and reverting to petulant complaining is a surefire way to get it discarded. In a system where the only real possible feedback would be getting your way and seeing your changes ingame, I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Yeah ghoul still got pretty big nerfs from how he was at the beginning. Maybe nerf some of his add ons if must to nerf something.

I am a firm believer that Ghoul doesn’t need nerfs.
Ghoul gets a free injury and has good mobility, but he needs an m1 down.

Don’t hold W, that’s what Ghoul counters, just get as much use out of a loop as possible.

Stranger things is looking to be a great success so hopefully that'll boot Ghoul from poster boy S-tier and he can get adjusted finally

Do you have hard facts that it's 99% of the community? Or is that just an inflated number you assume because you want it to be the case?

Its well known there are many vocal complaints about the character, but thats all the more reason why its important for those grievances to consist of more substance than just dissatisfaction. We already have a history of that ending very badly for sometimes years within this game about particular aspects, especially particular killers overall.

Hate to break it to yeah but yes low and high mmr is mixed

there is also people in this VERY THREAD explaining and linking other similar post topics with substantial substance on why Ghoul is majorly hated

Exactly, so focus on doing that instead of forcing in the by everyonepart. Hyperbole makes your opinion look less credible.

If dbd ran a Global official poll for everyone to Vote on most hated Killer it would be Ghoul who would win.

And it stayed as Skull Merchant even after she got obliterated multiple times, because people were that frustrated with a previous version that had been gone for ages by then. This is why vitriol alone isn't effective as feedback, and has collateral damage elsewhere in the playerbase.

I am focusing on that and no SM has largely been forgotten about it's all about ghoul now

She gotten buffed recently nowhere near as she was but least it's something

But that by definition would be data.

There is a difference between something being unfun and something being balanced. And given the state of the game, they have bigger things to go after like tunneling which are UNIVERSALLY hated, vs a killer that people see in 5% of their games.

Also i highly doubt "99% of the user base hates going against the ghoul" Do YOU have some kind of data to back that up?

I was a original freddy main and later down the line a SM Main it's sucks what happened to them but you just gotta accept it ain't coming back like it used to be and move on. Your clearly just going to continue having a problem with it no matter how many people will tell you I'm no longer going to respond to you.

We don't know that it was "completely scrapped" they tried multiple times with it and failed because they were going about it the wrong way. But nowhere have they confirmed that they just "aren't doing it anymore" as far as we know its still happening while they revisit the implementation of the changes for a later PTB.

Secondly, Ghoul does not have a "very high pick rate" that is massively higher than other killers. If you go by nightlight.gg, ghoul has about a 5% pick rate. That means you see ghoul in 1 out of every 20 games. While that is unofficial data, the last time BHVR released official stats, yes the data showed Ghoul's pick rate at about 5% for japan, and 4% for the world. So going by official stats across all players, its actually 1 in 25 games

There are currently 41 killers in the game. So if there were an even distribution of killer players on every killer, you'd see an average pick rate of about 2.5%. So You see ghoul a little under twice as often as you would assuming a purely even distribution. Which again, in the grand scheme of (1 out of every 25 games) that ain't it chief.

And again, looking at nightlight.gg Ghoul has a kill rate of about 49.84%, pretty much dead even at 50% (which actually if you look at the devs stated goal of 60% kill rate is quite bad, but that is a different discussion), and the last official stats didn't give us kill rates, but put ghoul at EIGHT in terms of lethal killers, with the top 10 being:

1. Lich
2. Freddy
3. Sadako
4. Dredge
5. Pig
6. Twins
7. Blight
8. Ghoul
9. Skull Merchant
10. Oni

I literally linked you the OFFICIAL stats. And yeah, he's top 5, but again, do the math. With a 4% pick rate (official stats remember, nightlight actually says he's higher). That means you see him in 1 out of every 25 games. An average game of DBD lasting about 8-10 minutes, even on the low end that means you see Ghoul about once every 3.5 hours of gameplay. Which is pretty significant.

Also if you actually read my post (which it is obvious you didn't) i told you there are 41 killers, not "almost 40"