comms and ranked system for balancing

Survivor stats aren't accurate unless you never abandon. That's well known. The only reason I even mention mine is because I don't abandon. I dont trust a single person's survivor stats but my own.

Disconnected from what? False narratives? I play SWF, solo, and killer. You said you only SWF as survivor, so I'm playing a lot more of the game than you are. Who's more disconnected?

Hatch is considered null in the system, same as DCs and abandons. So i don't think there's any difference. The personal stats pages need fine tuning because i believe both hatch and abandons show as escapes, whereas in the system that the devs use (ie which determines MMR) both hatch and abandons are non-factors.

It's simple: if you're a sweaty swf, ur swf can play only in hard ranked mode against same as u 9999h sweaty nurses. If you're a regular solo player, you can play the regular casual mode, or if you're bored with it, play the hard ranked mode if you want

An experience is not an opinon. Not being on comms is my experience. You can choose whether or not to believe me but it isn't an opinon.

Survivor stats are not accurate unless you never abandon? So someone that rarely abandons or never abandons and gets the hatch would have reasonably accurate stats?

You're well aware abandons delete losses. You've mentioned it multiple times, as well as being present in the threads we've spoken about it. No one is talking about your precious hatch. You said you use the abandon when no other option is available therefore your stats are innaccruate. You don't care about BHVRs accurate official stats; I don't care about your innacurate ones.

Just SWF/no SWF. SWF is the most powerful force the game has ever seen. If you want 30+ free perks obtained using third-party software, bypassing the rules of the game, fine, no problem, but only in ranked mode, where every killer will sweat If you want a more balanced approach, play casual solo mode
This way, killers who don't want to sweat won't encounter swf, and swf will get opponents equal to themselves in ranked mode
It's very simple

you guys have faith that BHVR can even integrate comms into their spaghetti code of a game💀

Im all for it if they can and just add options to mute or turn off. but let me avoid those that turn off too

They get tons of information using third-party software.You may not have noticed, but there's no voice chat in the game. Using Discord, etc., survivors squads can always communicate the exact location of the killer, totems, perks, etc.

Nothing of this break the rules. And every game released knows that voice-comms exist. It doesnt matter if its ingame or not.

They clearly do not make up the majority. God squads do exist; I'm not denying that.

But you can't have it both ways.

If God Squads are so powerful that they break the game, then they cannot be common. The stats simply do not accommodate that point of view. At their absolute best, SWF are escaping less than they are being killed.

If they ARE that common, then they cannot be that powerful.

My hypocrisy? In what? I've played Killer for eight years now, every friend who I used to play with has quit, over the years. I'll get invited by people, on occasion, to run customs or event queues, but I mostly stick by myself and play Killer.

I didn't say ban SWF. You can still play with friends, but only in ranked mode
So if the killer wants to play against swf, he will go to the ranked mode, and if not, to casual
Or if u as solo survivor dont want meet sandbag swf u can go in casual

And even logical fact that you are using a third-party application to gain an in-game advantage already takes you out of the casual category

So you just dont care for all the people not being a comp SWF, who are the vast majority of SWF. There is no logic behind your take.

I'm not sure why you're asking me as though I'm the statmaster, but as far as I know, hatches are escapes—even if they're null in the system and neutral in MMR—in the most literal sense of the word, because you are jumping down a hole and, thus, escaping. A win, I would say no (as would Peanits, it would seem) but an escape, yes. What is your point?

Your reasoning is flawed. Hatch = loss is not entirely true. Sometimes a team runs out so they're isolated/injured teammate can get hatch. That match was a win. If I were to die on purpose in every match I was the last one left in, that would only give me an accurate winrate if I live in every match we win, and I can't control being the one death. The only way to know your winrate is to keep your own data.

It's also called an escape rate, not a winrate or an MMR-gain rate. I've made it clear I want the two things separated in the stats. But the hatch is still part of the gameplay. It still requires in-game action. The abandon is leaving during a match almost always when you yourself died in that match. The way abandons operate is either an oversight or a very bad idea. The two things aren't the same.

No one is stopping you from doing this? But if you have to make a point of it that tells me you're abandoning quite a bit.

I knew you were setting up a gotcha but this is a really odd one.

Yes they would be just as accurate as mine (for that 30 day period). Again, it says escape rate. It would be accurate to that word. And I also said my deaths are usually also team losses. The hatch is rare for me. Not only do I not know its spawn points without a shack offering (since I rarely think about it and haven't bothered to learn them) but I'm rarely the last person left alive. And slugging for the 4k is pretty common in my matches too. I'd be curious to see my number of hatch escapes as it's likely rather low.

I use the escape rate because 1) it's all they provide us and 2) the set-up here was that 4mans stomp killers, which would imply my ER should be higher because if we're stomping that much, I would be escaping a lot. You have all these people in this forum saying "played with my buddies and we won every match SWF is ez mode" and I'm saying the only numbers BHVR gives me to do not reflect that.

This is the sort of stuff OP is saying:

if the game had inbulit comms instead of SWFs useing discord like we all do, the game can actually be blanced not for solo q, that is just trash and into SWFs which is co-oridnated and can destroy killers easily

Rewritten for coherence: The game could be balanced better if VC was global.

I have a 75% escape rate as survivor with my Lara and 500 hours on her I only play SWFS compared to ur 40% escape rate it rlly shows the power of a SWF and having good teamamtes.

Oh wait, AND you need good teammates.

So soloq, by this logic, wouldn't benefit from comms, because there would still be bad players playing badly, just with the ability to speak. Random strangers have no synergy with you. They have no attachment. This will fix nothing. Good players will play well if they're solo or not. Bad players will play bad regardless of comms. Comms do not fix this game's problems.

Thats fair enough, your numbers dont reflect what others experience.

It's impossible to say what other people's numbers reflect as long as the stats are innaccruate. We are using rigged data to argue a point, which makes the entire argument skewed and the problems inscrutable. My numbers being abnormally accurate makes it look like I'm underperforming, but it's quite likely that if we all woke up to adjusted numbers tomorrow, everyone would loose 10% or more of their ERs, considering the frequency with which people abandon the second they hit the ground.

How many people do or dont cant be proven, we know some do because we have seen videos of people doing it, they admit it on these forums and they can be seen doing it via watching a ttv player thats streaming. Your experience my differ, maybe you havent seen videos of comms being used in this way or havnt witnessed it yourself, i dont know. But others have

I've said it before, but the forum isn't a good example of average player experiences. I take everything I hear here with a grain of salt. The most normal, mid to bad players I play with don't engage with the game in any way outside of playing it. The fact that we've all bothered to join a forum to talk about this game's tiny details endlessy makes us unusual. So I don't view the forum members as good examples of anything except an exceptional drive to complain. TTVers are also a terrible example of normality. They're performing for an audience. I would never, ever upload a video with a recording of me playing with people while we bs. That's not public content. Some people are great players AND use comms efficiently but they are outliers. Official survivor stats remain at underwhelming numbers even amongst high MMR SWFs.

It is very much possible that people can play with their friends and win every match and find it ez….because they could be doing something that you do not.

No survivor team is winning every match unless they're low MMR, and those wins would take them out of it quick enough, unless matchmaking can be manipulated in some way I dont know about. There are killers with 85%+ KRs just in this forum. They are statistically winning every match. Even the most impressive survivors in the world have streaks that pale in comparison to killer streaks.

Yes, I believe that people who are so sweaty as to form teams and use an app unrelated to the game to gain an in-game advantage not intended by the game should be considered competitive mode
Please give me an example of why I'm wrong

How can anyone believe that playing with friends is sweaty? There is absolutely no logic behind this. And therefor it doesnt make anymore sense to discuss basing an such ridicoulous take.

Playing with friends and using programs that give you an advantage are not the same thing
If the survivors played without voice communication, it would be balanced, but since they are so sweaty that they need to get any advantage at all costs, they go beyond the line of "just playing with friends."

But there’s quite a leap between sweaty squads using clock comms, and friends just having a laugh over voice.

You’re conflating the two.

Killers can use VC too lmao

"Survivor main" he says to the Killer who is likely better than they'll ever be lol

You know, console doesn't have to download a VC? It's included on every game. Oops, gotta find a new argument lol.

The game was always designed to be played with friends. If you can't handle it, that's on you.

Yes, they can, but it's a temporary mode, and if it bothers you so much, why not add a rating and not a rating (unless, of course, you consider the increased game wait time)
Now, back to your message: you literally said that simply playing as a killer in 2v8 is equal to playing SWF, which is stupid comparison