was removing the kaneki vault back intentional?

This is moving goal posts. I never said anything about how frequent a ghoul is in enraged mode.

When i play ghoul i am only usually enrage vaulting against inexperienced players. When it's steam players with high hours, they know what to do, they force me to break the pallet.

I am also never getting enraged vaulted by ghouls myself either because i know what to do.

What's wrong with Michael's rework?

Yeah, no.. I went to custom and tried it again. The moment I pulled my power after that cancel, I could as well M1. I have no idea what you are on about with cancel fake…

Now you are just making things up. But hey, feel free to create a clip showing what you mean.

Lol, no you couldn’t. You have to completely leave your power to M1. Pretending like you don’t know what a Ghoul cancel fake is after doing it in the video means one of two things:

Either you really don’t play Ghoul at all, or you’re pretending you don’t to maintain a broken point. (Which won’t be taken seriously as feedback anyway, so it’s pointless.)

I don’t need to make a clip. You cancel-faked in the video, then turned around and said you don’t know what that means. That alone is enough proof that you don’t even understand how Ghoul works — which also explains why you don’t know how to counter him.

Lol and based on what you think they are doing it? Spoiler alert: it's just kill rates

The devs have all the data. public Kill rates aren’t the only thing they use to judge how a killer is performing. If that were the case, Nurse would be getting buffed.

She was definetly never in top 3 highest kill rates, which does not reflect her power level….

Nurse’s kill rate is high among top players, just like Blight. Can we see that exact data? No. You could argue that I’m assuming, but we all know Nurse is one of the strongest killers in the game, if not the strongest.

If the devs judged killers purely off public kill rates, then why have they never said Nurse was a mid-tier killer across all MMR brackets like they said about ghoul?

That alone suggests they look at more than just raw kill-rate statistics when evaluating how strong a killer actually is.

Lol, if Ghoul pulls his power at a pallet, you keep running or double back for a pallet stun. Ghoul can’t grab on reaction unless you drop the pallet too early like you did in the clip.

In order for Ghoul to grab you, he can’t get stunned by the pallet. So he either has to commit and assume you won’t drop it, or use his power outside of the pallet’s stun radius. That’s the entire reason he has to guess — it’s not on reaction.

Nobody just sits at a pallet across from Ghoul like you did in the video unless he leaped. And even then, you just time his animation. If he’s in leap like in the clip, you just run away. You’ll gain distance because of his movement penalty. Or you can double back and pallet stun him.

All the clip you posted really showed is that you don’t understand the basic fundamentals of looping or Ghoul’s mechanics.

You just proved it to truly be a skill issue.

Are you new to DBD, so you don't know how devs use data (kill rates)? That would explain things

You do realize there’s data the devs have that they haven’t shared with us, right? People have been asking for that information for years.

They don’t balance killers based only on public data. Did you actually think that’s all they look at?

If that were the case, Nurse would have been buffed.

And you’re asking me if I’m new?

Yes plural, conditions, they all have to met. 🤦

It definetly seems like you are, or just didn't pay attention to patch notes. Nothing wrong with that.

😂 I think it’s pretty obvious who’s new, going by the clip you sent. Not to mention how you just segmented a piece of my explanation showing why the clip you presented makes zero sense in the context of what you’re trying to argue.

At this point, it’s hard to take what you’re saying seriously anymore. Nobody with any consequence of the game is going to watch that clip and see a balance issue, they’re just going to see a clear lack of in-game knowledge.

I actually went into full depth explaining why your clip makes no sense and shows none of the counterplay against Ghoul. But you ignored it, because you can’t counter something you don’t understand — or didn’t even know existed.

Especially when it seems like you don’t even care if you can counter it. Your clip made it pretty clear you just want to pre-drop pallets and feel untouchable while you run away in a straight line like a lot of survivors do. 😂

Before you even learn how to counter Ghoul, you should probably learn how he actually works. Learn his different techs. You really posted a clip of yourself standing on the opposite side of a pallet from a Ghoul while he’s in his power… just to prove you don’t know how to time a pallet drop against him.

At this point there’s not much left to say. You pretty much proved it yourself that it was a skill issue.

I know you are beginning in dbd, but when Ghoul walks to a pallet, he has secret "tech" of vaulting with his first dash. Which he can easily cancel, or M1 however he likes

Which you can easily counter aswell 😂

Well, I don't know how to play against Ghoul, but at least I am able to watch a short clip correctly :D

At least you admitted it thats step 1. Step 2 is being willing to learn something outside of shift + S

Oh, right. That's why I wasted my time in custom trying his limits.

You went in customs to give yourself a excuse to why you cant counter him

Would be nice if there was a valid counterplay, but there is none…

Il just copy and paste the help i gave you.

if Ghoul pulls his power at a pallet, you keep running or double back for a pallet stun. Ghoul can’t grab on reaction unless you drop the pallet too early like you did in the clip.

In order for Ghoul to grab you, he can’t get stunned by the pallet. So he either has to commit and assume you won’t drop it, or use his power outside of the pallet’s stun radius. That’s the entire reason he has to guess — it’s not on reaction.

Nobody just sits at a pallet across from Ghoul like you did in the video

I already explained the counterplay. I can’t make you learn it — you have to want to. But I wouldn’t wait around for a nerf just because you don’t feel like figuring it out. 😂

That clip is like uploading a clip of you trying to loop a knight minion to prove he cant be countered lmao.

You realize there would be no fatigue? I DIDN'T USE POWER YET

So doing it later does nothing, outcome is vault for free down :)

He was sitting behind the pallets hitbox in his power. you could have just ran around and vaulted. You dropped it way to early.

I can't learn something that doesn't work..

It works its just a skill issue, me and many other have no issues countering ghoul.

Well, I will just wait for next game… That worked so far well for me, Ghouls are not happy about it

DC’ing because you can’t counter a basic mechanic right after posting a clip that shows the misplay is wild 😭. The killer didn’t even need to outplay you, the mechanic already did.

If the mechanic beats you without the killer doing anything, that’s called a self inflicted outplay.

It’s actually pointless. You can’t convince or teach someone who refuses to engage with or learn something because their emotions about it are too strong. A lot of people in the community are like that.

The devs don’t take that kind of feedback seriously. They created the killer and are fully aware of his counterplay. That’s why they haven’t taken complaints like this seriously and have kept him largely the same.

Your post was beautifully articulated, I applaud it. I will add that there were more options in that situation; that wasn’t the only counter available.

Another reminder for you: Xenomorph, Huntress, Dracula, Nurse, Executioner, and Artist will kill you in the exact same scenarios and conditions you provided for Ghoul.

all of them bar ghoul also have to earn their first hit in chase and cant get it for free, I know point of post was to point out counterplay to the scenario and props to showing video. But just wanted to point out as alot of peoples issue with ghoul is he has too much kit for how low his skill floor is.

The animation bug you’re referring to is supposedly called the “Armint” tech that a YouTuber posted about. Me and some buddies on Discord tried to reproduce it in customs using the instructions from the video, but we couldn’t get it to happen.

I’m not sure if it’s some rare animation issue or something else, but in my games, especially after they patched the vault glitch that bugged his animations, it’s always worked as intended.

Either way, it should still be fixed if it does happen, even if it’s rare.

his myriad of animation bugs make this form of counterplay unnecessarily difficult, and the bugs are so easy to do you can do them accidentally.

If people continue buying it to win matches without skill requirements, it will remain the king of pay to win games.

Kaneki is not overpowered. That's really enough of this nonsense.