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Perk Description Update Feedback
Please leave your feedback for 9.5.0's perk wording updates here. Thank you!
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Terrible change. I don't know why you went through with this, from what I have seen on the PTB feedback section negative feedback to positive feedback was like 10 to 1.
This is just a net negative change. It makes the game less immersive, it makes the game harder to understand especially for newer players, the wording is more clunky. The only advantage I can think off is that searching for perks by their text is more consistent, but that does not remotely remove all the harm it does.
I am genuinely so upset over this, this is just a bad change.
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Are there any specific examples where you feel the updated perk descriptions are harder to understand?
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It's one of the best changes the game has ever made for player onboarding. It's understandable to be upset that some lore text was lost, but a unified approach to describing perk function using consistent formatting and terminology is indescribably helpful for new players getting into the game. There's no more confusion caused by perks using different terms to describe the same things.
Aside from some lore text being lost, the change is entirely positive.
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Dead Hard would be my prime example. "Whenever X" is a terrible way of phrasing "Whenever X this activates, after use it deactivates." Eruption is in a very similar camp to it.
The entire concept of "special break" vs "basic break" also seems very clunky and forced. Considering there are no perks that only activate on special breaks, I feel like perks should use something like "break by any means" vs "manual break", which I feel would flow much better and not gamey-fy the text too much.
Perks like Human Greed or Dissolution still do not inform the killer that the Survivors are informed of it being inplay. Considering perks like Darkness Revealed do not do this, I feel like there should at least be a disclaimer (I know this was an issue under the old system too, but this system should be better not have the same issues).
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I would argue this made player onboarding harder. Dead Hard for example does not make it very clear that it only works once per hook stage. I even know experienced player who thought they forgot to mention it when updating the text, because "Whenever you are unhooked" is not a good way of saying "Once per hook stage." It technically works, but it is just not very clear or easy to understand and I expect a lot of new players to try to use it multiple times per hook stage.
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A couple of perks having some additional details that could use further clarification does not make the entire framework bad, IMO.
Also the Dead Hard description is accurate. The perk doesn't work "once per hook stage". If you reach second stage on your first hook then you won't get two uses of the perk as "per hook stage" would imply. It activates upon being unhooked, which the new description appropriately reflects.
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Yes, it makes it clear that it activates upon being unhooked, but it does not make it clear that after you use it deactivates until you are unhooked again.
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The removal of intro flavor text from perk descriptions sours the change for me personally, especially when people was pretty vocal about not wanting it to be removed.
Seriously, add it back. It added to the immersion.
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Can we please bring back the flavour text that these used to have? I'm all for the description of their effects being standardised but the removal of flavour text achieves nothing but removing a sense of charm from the game.
The fact that perks felt as though they had character was something that really struck me about dbd when I started playing back in 2017 and to see that aspect removed is really devastating to see.
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Sadly BHVR seems to aim to make DBD the most generic looking game on the market. The removal of Flavour texts is bad and I dont know who had this idea. But whoever had it had not the best idea.
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For me personally, Eruption's new description seemed harder to understand. It'd be much easier to understand if it explicitly stated that damaging a gen applies the perk to it, the current description of "Whenever you damage a Generator, when you down a survivor, all Generators damaged this way: -" just seems too wordy with the two usages of when back to back make it read very awkward.
Something such as "Damaging a Generator applies Eruption. When you down a survivor, all Generators this perk applied to: -" Would read much better IMO.
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I'm glad every perk does not come with a thesaurus of text, now do it to Killer Powers. The Doctor will see you now…
Now that all perk texts are more manageable should should make an optional splash screen appear at the start of a match to inform the player what their perks do, this would also be great for Chaos Shuffle.
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I appreciate you taking the time to list these out. Let me take a look at them and pass along your feedback.
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Once per hookstage doesnt work linguistically, because that implies if you've been on the hook for 2 states in a row, you get 2 Dead Hards.
Whenever you are unhooked implies whenever you are pulled off the hook. The only muddies things around Pyramidhead's Cages.
Whenever you are unhooked is simply that it doesnt matter when you get unhooked. Not that you can use the effect whenever. That is consistent through all perks.-1 -
I haven't tested it out yet, but unless Deception got altered between release(which isnt in the patch notes, hence me not testing), the text is not accurate:
It says whenever you try to fast-enter a locker. But there are 2 ways to fast-enter a locker:
1. While running.
2. While standing still and holding shift.
1 lets you use deception. 2 lets you fast-enter the locker without using deception.
That might be bugged, but before that's reported to be a bug, I must add that 2 as a seperate functionality is key on how you can actually use Deception to Decept killers. Killers who know how Deception works can still be tricked by standing still while holding shift and fast-entering a locker normally. It's also crucial to still fast-enter a locker like that when facing Doctor and while running that perk.
So, the request would be to add "Whenever you attempt to fast-enter a Locker while running:" rather than to change the functionality to fit the words2 -
I wholeheartedly agree to everything you said. This change removes so much of the flair and personality from the game. I know it sounds insane, but it really does. Going off your other comments, the special-break, basic-break, etc., just sound rushed and poorly worded. Breaking by any means was perfectly fine and understood before. I do agree that some of the perks needed to be reworded because they were difficult to understand even by veteran players. But 75% of the perks already made complete perfect sense how they were before the changes. Now they just feel even more convoluted and simplified for no reason other than to make them more confusing and remove all of the flair and DBDness of them. The removal of the flavour text was also insane. It added so much to the perks. To the game. So many people are upset over this change, and I am so confused why it was still pushed forward. I am also genuinely distraught by the perk rewordings, they feel rushed, meaningless, convoluted, and beyond oversimplified to the point of utter confusion now.
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I agree, it's genuinely devastating. I feel like the rewording of the perks AND the removal of the flavour text literally just sucked so much personality out of the game. Simplifying some of the perk descriptions is a good idea and makes sense, but the way that it was done just is incredibly rushed, poorly worded, and even more confusing for some perks than before. 75% of the perks made perfect sense before the change. Only a few needed to be changed.
Also, BHVR really needs to focus on catering to their current 60M+ playerbase rather than the potential of newer players coming in. If people really want to continue to play the game as a beginner, they will take the time to learn what everything does rather than needing it simplified into easy-to-read descriptions. That's just not how the game is or should be.
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The changes were un-needed and horribly executed. Take Open Handed for example. The flavor texts are gone, important information is removed ("does not stack" is missing), and the overall clarity has gone worse. It's very vague and hard to understand what the perk does. Or to a non native English speaker, like me, it is. To me it seems like you (BHVR) didn't even check the outcome of these changes. Please make a human understandable senteces and revert these changes.
NEW: "All Survivors see Auras that have a range from 16m farther."
OLD: "Strengthens the potential in your and your team's Aura-reading
abilities.- Extends all Survivor-based Aura-reading abilities by 8/12/16
metres.Open-Handed does not stack with other instances of itself."
PS. The character texts for Ellen Ripley and Trevor Belmont have been "bugged" since their releases, they are not in two paragraphs, like all other survivors' and killers' character texts are. I have reported this many time in Reddit and got even reply from you, but nothing has changed for over a year now.
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we need the lore pieces back,it gave us some idea about the characters we care about and overall about the perk itself
the actual descriptions doesnt affect me that much,whether in the old style or in this new shorter one
but the lore?I loved them,and i will keep loving them and I dont think I'm alone in that matter4 -
Yes, I am so glad someone understands. They were unnecessary! Some perks should have been slightly, and I mean slightly, reworded for clarity since they were confusing. But most of them made perfect sense. I like the expandable section, that was a good idea to not add further unnecessary words to the perks. I am a native English speaker (In replying to your message), and it makes way less sense to me now as well. They seem incredibly hastily written and are written in a way where they just remove all of the flair and personality out of the perks. They seemed before as if they were written by the Entity itself or something of that nature, but now they just feel like someone wrote them with no care to how they sound and look. I agree, Open Handed is a great example. The perk made perfect sense before. It had clarity and personality. Both of which are lacking from the new versions. I don't understand why they would abbreviate seconds and metres as well. It feels cheap and rushed.
Please revert this change. Please revert the perks back to their original wording with the flavour text and simplify some of the more confusing perks in the old style of writing. It genuinely removed so much of the personality from the game with this change, it is insane.
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Yup, those perks that requires an action to activate should write something like this:
"This perk activates when you …"
"This perk requires … to activate."
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We need favor texts on the begining back! Please don't take them away from us!
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removing the flavour text was a bad decision imo, it was a good thing for the game!
Just do what you had been doing for the last few chapters, italicize them.
Removing a small part of the game's personality makes the perks incredibly sauceless and boring to read5 -
Oh just forgot to mention it
Just forgot to mention, and those perks like Leader, Resilience, Vigil, etc, which shares one value in effects, they looked so terrible cause Behavior just repeated that value in all effects! Oh dear.
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Killswitch Fast Track. Survivors should not be getting another resource to aid them for failing to play the game properly.
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French folk here. I will be talking about translation even though I do not know how you realized them.
From a personal point of view, and some people share it with me, it is a bit sad the "non-necessary-but-lore-accurate-and-contextual-description" have been removed. Perks are less about what they are and more what they do. Was always enjoyable to read them. Now they have a raw technical function.
From a non-personal point of view, some description are HORRIBLE. 5 moves ahead is ununderstandable. Counterforce is literally translated from a spelling mistake (clean instead of cleanse), which confirm you made your translation using a soft and not a human. No doubt some of them were necessary, but most of them are badly described and feel very heavy "When you, when you, you do, …"
The greatest point among everything is the ability to right click so you can have a description of the effects. THAT was necessary.
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Awful, and unnecessary. Took away charm, put hard to read white coloring over the values and made every YouTube video on perks horrifically outdated. The old style for the perk descriptions is part of dbds 10 year identity. Why change it?
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Bring back the flavor text on those that are missing them otherwise its good.
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Knowhere in the perk description for Boons say it has a range of 24 meters.
Also no Hex Perk says "The Hex Effects persist until the Hex Totem is either blessed or cleansed by a Survivor, disabling it for the remainder of the Trial."
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Flavor text is very missed
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To add to the DH conversation, I agree it's not clear it's once per being unhooked. One suggestion to improve:
- One time after being unhooked, while injured and running, use E:
Perks that list the same number many times (Vigil, Resilience, Leader, Fire Up) are clunky. One suggestion for example for Vigil:
- All survivors within 16m of you recover 66% faster from:
- Blindness, Broken, Exhausted, etc…
Prove Thyself is still missing its old clarification that only one instance of it applies at a time (ie. doesn't stack).
There is still no ingame explanation for "conspicuous actions".
There is still a typo of "it's aura" in two perks, Left Behind and Hex: Plaything.
The starting flavour text was nice as it added, well, flavour, but I don't mind them being gone.
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In a continued effort to clarify game language, the term "Conspicuous Action" is an ambiguous nothing-burger of a term for ANYBODY reading it, without doing more research or first-hand experimentation.
Even after almost 10 years and 6,500 hours of playing and actively following updates, I often forget what it means! What the heck is a "Conspicuous Action" in game language? Does touching an Exit Gate count? What about Killer Objects? The term is never defined anywhere and it means nothing to anyone without external research.
I strongly believe that "Conspicuous Action" should be defined in-game somewhere, and in perk descriptions would be an excellent place to do so.
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This is a great flag and something I can raise to the team. Thanks!
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I also strongly feel that placing the Extra Info windows on Killer Powers would be an excellent idea.
For example, The Twins inflict Killer Instinct, Broken, Oblivious, and Incapacitated. For new players, it would be useful to understand what these effects mean, as well!
Ever since the Eruption rework, Incapacitated does not appear anywhere in perks - therefore, this status effect has no definition anywhere!
Additionally, the Deafened Status Effect is not defined anywhere, either, as Add-Ons also do not have the Extra Info tab.
The "Endurance" status effect still does NOT define to players that it cannot be used while Deep Wounded. Its current wording gives the implication that it can be infinitely used Deep Wound would be re-applied, which is not correct.
Also, +1 to everyone saying that the intro Flavor Text makes the game feel more lifeless.
The Flavor Text would not have been visual overload if it simply had consistent formatting along with the quote perks - italicized and in a different color - instead of everything up until the Alien chapter being written in white plaintext as if it was part of the perk functionality.That's to say, bring back the intro flavor text and format the flavor text like this:
Not like this, which was how you used to do it:
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Additionally, perks that describe a keybind MUST have the keybind be more visually distinct, because putting a random letter in a totally different font in the middle of a perk description actually makes the perk MUCH harder to read and understand, and it's very easy to glaze over the keybind in this formatting.
Use an icon, encapsulate the keybind in a key-shaped image, put it in a different color (like the old Yellow) to highlight that it's an actionable command that the Player can input and not simply perk functionality or a typo.
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With the first bugfix out, there are still no changes to this.
Even thoigh the system has several glaring flaws that should be fixed.
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I think that it is also worth mentioning that Hex Perks no longer indicate in their description that the perk is active only as long as the totem is lit. New players no longer have any way of knowing they can deactivate Hex perks anymore unless via first-hand experimentation.
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