Killers shouldn't camp or tunnel it is a scumbag move

I completely agree, but on a extent you’re biased on the side of survivors

Look the camping is bs play the game can't play the game normal if the killer wants to body camp u don't see Monto camping he plays the game and makes it fun at the same time if u get hooked rushed then that's different ur stopping them from the save and trying to injure as many survivors as possible they need to impose on game penalties for camping

At the same time, you don't see Monto teabagging, flashlight clicking, using old DS constantly, and being toxic in general in front of killers.

The Pipping changes basically forces Killers to not camp and tunnel tbh. Unless they don't care about rank.

I don't really like the sentiment behind what you describe as the types of survivors/killers.

How do you define a win?

In the context of a game winning is simply achieving your win condition. That win condition will be part of the games rules and is thus objective. For example in chess the win condition is to capture the opposing King. You might have different reasons to play, but regardless of why or if you want to win you still have to capture the King in order to win because winning isn't subjective in the realm of games.

So if we apply this to dead by daylight we find the win conditions clearly stated in the tutorial.

Survivors: Escape the trial

Killers: Kill the Survivors

If you do not do those things then no matter how much fun you had you by definition have not won.

Onto what you said afterwords. Assuming you are trying to win (which is something you should always assume) you should always take any non-reportable action you can that increases your odds of winning. Does gen rush improve your odds of winning? Yes? Do it. Does tunneling improve your odds of winning? Yes? Do it. Does camping improve your odds of winning? Nope, go do something else.

Guess what? Looping increases your odds of winning. So if your question is if the survivor should do it then the answer is that they absolutely should.

But of course, that isn't the ONLY question. You then have to ask yourself if the intended mechanics lead to problems. If they do, then the devs need to either remove the problematic aspects or nerf the strategy that causes them. Note that this part is the developers responsibility and not the players. After all an exploit cannot be objectively verified, the smaller hitboxes of Survivors are just as much a game mechanic as the Killers faster movement speed, and vaulting is clearly supposed to be able to give survivors distance. Plus scratchmarks mean that evading a competent Killer is impractical without a dedicated perk build for it. So if directly running away doesn't work because of the Killers high movement speed, and neither does using LoS to lose the Killer because of scratchmarks, why would I do anything BESIDES Looping?

You shouldn't camp the hook because it is a losing strategy, not because it's nice. And you absolutely should tunnel. If this is a problem (we both know it is) then that is on the devs to fix.

Not yet @KillermainBTWm8

@Poweas I was not trying to

Alot of times when I see someone just about to die on hook, ill go ahead and invest 5 seconds to stand next to it to prevent any last second saves. Thoughts?