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[Feedback] Voiced Survivors destroy motivation to buy skins for old survivors
Your monetization scheme has always been weak, I say that as a "whale". I've probably spent $1000 in League of Legends on skins and while I'm a bit shamed to say so, it was over a period of 10 years and I was happy to support the game.
For DBD? I'd like to give you my money but it's hard. I'll keep this concise though. When you release new survivors who have voice lines, better polish, better modelling, better everything - it begs the question of why would I ever bother getting a skin for the older survivors?
You have to see the dilemma right? Why would I buy some old jank legendary killer/survivor skin when the MiNa exists? A concrete example is blight. I could just buy the Resident Evil Birkin skin and get new voice lines or spend almost the same on an ascendant one with no new voices.
Why would I buy skins for my old mains (Yui, Zarina, Mikaela, Claudette) when new survivors like Vee and Tae have voicelines and way better polish?
I'd love to buy the Saga Anderson skin but it has no voices and it sucks.
I know some fellow DBD'ers will say "But I adore character X,Y,Z and that's good enough for me" - Ok that's great but I am talking about my own experiences and as a paying customer.
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I see what you mean. But there are a lot who loves many of the Original Characters not having voice lines. There should be a mechanic to turn that off!
But for newer players and plp who love the more "polished" survivors who have voicelines etc. There should be a common ground. Yes let's say everyone get voice lines. And we all get the option to turn them off. We would all be Happy! Right!?
Another problem. Many players like their survivor sounds, when adding new voice lines, all of their origninal sounds will be deleted and get new sounds. Then we have the Stevegull petition back.
If DBD could reach out to their voice actors of their OG survivors and lisenced old characters. Making them Voice lines wouldn't need them to delete the old ones.
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If DBD could reach out to their voice actors of their OG survivors and lisenced old characters. Making them Voice lines wouldn't need them to delete the old ones.
Which is never going to happen since (almost) all of the old characters were voiced by devs, many of which no longer work at BHVR, and probably all of which wouldn't be up for professional VA work.
We've had almost this same exact thread before from the same author. As someone who also has a near-singular focus on this forum, I respect the hustle, even if I completely disagree with the premise & goals.
E: Also for those who aren't voiced by devs (Yun-Jin and beyond), I can't imagine it'd be all that easy or worth it as a company to go grab said people (if they're even available) and have to pay them and/or the company they belong to again, since I'd imagine there has to be some legal contract stuff they'd have to deal with regarding The Monster Factory/Blindlight VAs. And ultimately it'd just be time & money better spent elsewhere. Like I dunno, their survivor pick rate stats show that most people don't exactly seem to care whether a character has voicelines or not, and it stands to reason a good chunk of those people are actively buying new skins for their favorite character(s).
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I guess we shouldn't hold our breath for other older OG Characters to get Voicelines. But I guess they are now exclusive to not have Voicelines🙈 plus imagine new characters may be your new main. The older ones dosen't have to be.
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This is spot on. If they changed Claudette's voice to not sound like Claudette just to give her some annoying voice lines, even if there was an option to turn them off, it won't be Claudette any more.
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Then pay new voice actors to redo them completely. THIS same counter-argument comes up time and time again. Oh no, how many people will miss Claudette's signature scream? Maybe 10 people.
OH NO they HAVE TO PAY A VA TO DO VA WORK? WHOA!!! WE CANNOT HAVE ANY OF THAT /S
Thirdly, I guess you and BHVR do not like money. I will not buy a skin for a non-voiced survivor.
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Why do we need all survivors to have voice lines? They don't bring anything to the game and have to admit I have never got a survivor or skin because there is voice lines. They are just a bonus and quite often there as a background noise that you don't most of the time pay any attention.
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I'm playing Vee and I realized I enjoy having a polished survivor over some relic from 2016-2020 era survivors. Suddenly my old mains like yui, yun-jin, claudette, dwight, etc seem very "A relic of an older time". Sure I'll play them…maybe….but buy another skin with real life cash? Nope. Never. Not unless they're polished to the same level of Vee and others.
You need to take a step back and realize Vee is literally Feng 2.0. They knew some people would get upset if they re-voiced Feng so instead what do they do? Just make a Thai Feng. Similar silhouette, size, personality, etc but polished.
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I prefer thr older survivors personally.
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Sorry I disagree with this, remember these are the OG characters that began this game, before voice etc was even approved as it seems to be a law now that characters created have to have voice lines etc and I get that. Claude is my OG girl and after many many years, money spent i still spend money on her, why? because she is an OG, she is my girl, would I want now some other voice? oh heck no. Would I want feng to not sound like a squeaky balloon animal or Jakes whines and cries that make me chuckle? No, it's what makes them unique, it makes them the character, it's your choice what you do with your money or shards but hell it's still worth it. BHVR obvs think they are still worth it as they keep creating and making clothes etc for them, I get more annoyed with the constant voices now apart from Ash as he is a Sceam King to me. You keep saying polished, also when the originals came out, this wasn't a huge game then, resources and money and time, people working on this game wouldn't of been as big as it is now. So, no………………………………………………………………………………………keep buying stuff for polished, Vee peeps, your choice, no one is asking you to "waste" or spend money on older characters, but we need to leave what doesn't need to be changed, alone.
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Give it some time.
One of these scenarios will pan out, I am not saying which one cause I don't have sales data or play data. Only BHVR does
A) The status quo, people keep buying OG skins. Therefore, my opinion is wrong
B) The status quo changes, people stop buying OG Skins because the new survivors are just so much cooler, and thus BHVR only makes the best skins for them
C) An overhaul occurs - BHVR overhauls the game for Next-Gen (Think PlayStation 6) and every non-licensed character gets new model, new voices, everything. So we're technically both wrong, because this is just a complete graphical, character, art, asset, UX, etc overhaul. They have technically done this before, but in small incremental steps. To say this can't happen is saying you are BHVR themselves
Lastly….ask yourself this. What do you think will happen when/if a Sable 2.0 survivor releases and is fully voiced. Think people will just keep playing Sable? Look what Sable did already, she's the most picked survivor. She had a net-negative effect on play rates on other survivors by simply being created. This isn't opinion, this is math and statistical data now.
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Yeah I feel like they need to do some quality passes over old survivors, I'm still waiting on the silent hill characters to be given love, when stranger things recieved updates when it came out after SH and they cant say they dont have a good relationship with Konami
Coz they've done NUMEROUS collabs with them
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Thing is I would rather they don't change old characters sound, so we don't have Steve situation again.
I really don't want my main ruined, because someone wanted voice lines.
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M3GAN 2.0 wasn't very good………………………..just saying :) not really sure the point of this thread tbh? if you wanna keep playing Vee and buy new stuff, you go for it dude, and I will keep purchasing goods I like for older characters :)
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The point is old survivors will age like milk left out on a hot strait of hormuz summer afternoon. No one will buy them. Therefore no new skins will be made, or less skins.
Let's not talk about the OG survivors for one second. Let's look at the LICENSED survivors. Suddenly a licensed survivor has less quality than Vee for example. What.
When I bought Geralt (Witcher), it was because he has voice lines and etc. So when I see new licensed stuff, I think "why am I paying real money for a survivor that doesn't even have voice lines?"
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then put an option for classic vs new for survivors.
But I think this is a greater issue for NEW and OLD licensed survivors now. It's going to be very hard to justify buying a new licensed survivor when the polish and quality isn't even at the new bar (which is Vee and co)
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"I can't imagine it'd be all that easy or worth….."
French dubbing for the Stranger Things characters is releasing: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaksDBD/comments/1sf59cx/ptb_stranger_things_now_has_french_dubbing/
Obviously, I know dubbing in another language (Especially french since BHVR is in Quebec) can see a ROI.
But…to say BHVR can't do voice dubbing for some made up reason? Nope.
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I have thoughts about the French dubs existing in the first place with regards to game balance, but that's neither here nor there. It's neat that it exists and that they're continuing to do work in that department.
I didn't say they can't get people in to do voice work, I said that (in clearer terms this time) I can't imagine it'd be smooth sailing for them in the broader context of getting each and every voice actor from Yun-Jin onward back in to do some lines. Like sure if they can get access to their VAs on a case by case basis and get them to do lines, cool, whatever. But what if there are some they just can't ever get back on (for legal or availability reasons)? Do they completely re-dub them at that point just because a few people really want voicelines? Should they? Would it really make all that much of a difference when many of the top played survivors don't even have voicelines and are still loved to death by the community regardless?
Steve & Nancy being re-dubbed at least made some sense because they wanted them to have interactions with each other & the new Stranger Things survivors, and even given that rationale a lot of people miss the original voices, especially Steve's infamous scream (though perhaps just as many people are glad it's gone). Old licensed survivors in general I can see them re-dubbing without too much of a fuss, especially if they can get some iconic lines in there. But would anyone really care if someone like Jonah got voicelines? I don't think so. Some people might even stop playing him if he did. Not everyone likes a yapper.
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Some of us don't want our survivors to insessantly yap in the lobby. :/
Same… If David for example would lose his current voice, I'd be really upset. I wouldn't mind him getting voice lines IF he could keep his current voice sounds - the sounds that add a lot to his charm, and a big reason why I love him.
With that said, I am not a particular voice lines enjoyer, and am also not a fan of having lots of survivors yapping in recent lobbies. I just want peace and quiet.
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I had to slowly blink to your post, first of all milk doesn't age it goes off, wine and some cheeses yeah. You can't speak for everyone that they wont buy they just because they dont have a voice? Also what the heck is the obsession with Vee? Ash is a classic OG King, also no one is asking you to purchase anyone, you do you, people will do them, this is a vast community of different ages, wishes, wants and likes. Me and my other half, go team Jake in his old coat and love heart bottoms and me as my girl Claude in what ever. It boils doin to popularity, Vee, can't say she has much skins like some other characters because they are not popular. A brand spanking new surv doesn't mean everyones going to go fan girl on them and buy them or their cosmetics, I buy what I want with real money and shards of things I like not by who a character is.
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And?
Revoicing old survivors is A) impossible, since most of them were voiced by BHVR employees, who might not be employed there anymore B) pointless, since we get new survivors every few months C) not even that asked for, since many find the voicelines grating.
You are pretty much the minority in this case, and it's not like there are no choices for you, quite the opposite.
Additionally, people also buy survivors for their perks. No voicelines or skins required. Many people bought Laurie for DS.
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I work in the enterprise space as a software engineer, and I deal with a lot of project managers, and clients. I hear lots of "what if this, what if that, what if x,y,z,a,b,c,d,e,g,h,f" Who cares? Worry about the problem when it comes. All business problems can be fixed with time and money. Nothing would get done if you just create a wall of non-existent problems in front of you. Goes for life too. If Yun Jin's VA can't be reached or for example - Bill's VA is dead - then get a new one or skip that survivor?
I don't see the point when new survivors are so much more polished and have voice acting. I'm using Tae, Vee, and the soon to be released old lady in the angel chapter. Will I still play Yui and old cast? Maybe. Will I ever pay real life $$$$ for skins for them? Never. But It's okay if BHVR doesn't act on this, because I stand to lose nothing. BHVR is the one who stands to lose something.
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Vee is just an example. She represents the "New Feng" in my eyes from a business POV.
Who said I'm speaking for everyone? Also there's nothing stopping them from re-doing the entire dub for a character. Bill's VA is dead but all he does is mumble and stuff. It can't be hard to get new
Sable is a great example. She's the most picked survivor. She simply "existing" reduces pick rates, buy rates, and overall cosmetic output by BHVR for other survivors.
I bet you anything Sable gets full voicing or a new Sable 2.0 releases with full voice lines, and that survivor becomes the #1 picked survivor. Then people, like you, will complain "please BHVR…it's been 370 days since Claudette/Jake skin….."
I hear this argument a lot. It's a made up excuse or fails to see the alternative - redo the entire dub. Can't get Meg's original VA for whatever reason? Get a new one. It's not rocket science.
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Ok, but like…. why.
Majority of the playerbase is either indifferent to the survivors having voicelines, or actively dislike survivors who run their mouths constanly. Most of us are fine with how it is.
BHVR probably knows that too, otherwise they'd rerecord voicelines for everyone.
They know that the best way to please the most people is to just…. do what they do now. Leave the old ones be, and give the new ones voices.
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You're just making assumptions at this point. If everyone is indifferent to voicelines….why is every new legendary skin and killer/survivor heavily voice lined?
Why would BHVR bother with full voice lines. Why would they bother dubbing The Stranger Things Chapter in multiple languages.
It's almost as if….they know something we don't?
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