Looping Needs To Go

Ok. How?

Also the alternative is LoS jukes btw. If you are able to get back into hiding before the Killer is able to catch up do you then that is a successful chase that didn't involve loops.

I know that's unreliable in the current state of the game but that just misses the point, the way the game is setup allows for it to work and all we really need to do for that is nerf the ######### out of scratchmarks.

The real question is how to stop looping in the minimum number of changes in a way that doesn't stop alternative methods.

Y’all= You all.

One person said she was unbalanced in this thread. I feel like nurse becomes a true skill on skill match, much more so than up against any other killer.

@Judith I'm presenting alternatives!

They definitely exist. Unfortunately they are not nearly as strong as looping is which is why we don't usually talk about them. But that doesn't mean there can't be other ways.

So long as we don't make these kinds of changes in isolation we can definitely make it work.

Also:

"Yes considering the fact survivors have hardly any other means to escape the chase. Pallets and loops are there for a reason and make the game what it is today."

This right here is why I think Scratchmarks are the root of the issue rather than some Survivor mechanic.

Scratchmarks mean you can't really escape a Killer who is determined to catch you 9/10 times. So if you can't shake the Killer then what can you do? Stall them until you can escape! And how do you do that? Looping!

So no scratchmarks (or at least weaker scratchmarks) means jukes work well enough to be a primary strategy. Which then means looping doesn't have to be a workable long term strategy for the game to work. Which then lets us nerf it restoring the games balance, both in general (since juke/mindgame focused gameplay generally leads to shorter chases for one reason or another) and for Killers (Freddy, Doctor and Wraith suddenly are able to compete really well, Nurse and Billy suddenly have a lot of counterplay to contend with ect)

It all comes down to how exactly you remove looping, since looping isn't a mechanic but rather a strategy you can't just say "looping is now removed" since that means nothing in terms of mechanics. And you can't just remove windows and pallets since those are very important to the LoS jukes I mentioned.

@LCGaster technically you can. But that misses the point so for a real answer:

You don't, instead you nerf it until it isn't a viable strategy, or at the very least isn't a dominant strategy while in a chase.

But you can take away the reason it works. Shrink killer hitboxes so they're the same size as survivors', don't slow down killers when they turn, and increase killers' acceleration so they reach top speed at the same time as survivors.

@Orion this juke probably wouldn’t work if you were wounded since you still have blood unless you bring no mither.

Of course not. That's why I always bring Premonition, so I can get an idea of where the killer is coming from and prepare accordingly. It's particularly helpful against the Wraith, which this killer was. Never even got a hit.

It is mine, though. In the PTB I stealthed a Doctor (yup, you read that right) right until the end. He got a single hook on me (Devour Hope, even I take a hit every now and then), and then I let myself die to the Collapse (because I wanted to see it).

If you strategize properly, it works a lot better than looping. Trust me.

@Orion I’ve also stealthed plenty of doctors. I think a good mix of both is better than just one of them.

I find looping boring, so I purposefully avoid it.

To each their own I guess. I personally find both stealth and looping fun. But that’s just my opinion.

It's one of two options:

Loop aka chase or Stealth

stealth won't work all the time but with the right build and playstyle it can do more damage to the Killer than looping. Looping/pallets shouldn't go but be adjusted a bit. There are many busted loops on many maps, safe pallets. I won't mention the Coldwind Farm loops because they're getting adjusted with the mid chapter patch

Some people don't like running in circles all day and pretend mindgames are happening.

I don't have a problem with looping when playing Killer. I know how to anti loop and how to force pallets down earlier. And I bet every Killer can confirm that running in circles is more fun than just running around and finding no one.

And also, actual loops where there are no LoS blockers aren't that hard loops either. It's usually a pallet which is gone in a few seconds.

Except most loops aren't circles. They are tiles with LOS breakers that grant the ability to mindgame. Its how some players are better than others.