About the Enduring change...

@Theluckyboi they talked about it on stream

Even if they don't change DS back (I agree it does need to be changed though), at least you can play around it

Tbh there could be a different compromise. For DS I'd actually rather it keep the 5 seconds IF we make it so it ONLY affects tunneling, of which it currently does not. IE reduce the timer to like 45 seconds or make it deactivate as soon as a different survivor is downed.

Well if it got 3 seconds then I wouldn't want to test any other changes. I think the change I was offering was more of a nerf than the 3 seconds. I'd rather it be stronger in less situations rather than weaker but works in more situations.

Either way though I'm fine with the 3 second change.

I think the stun time should go down but I don't necessarily think 3 seconds is enough. The perk is being used once per match in very specific circumstances. Maybe if the timer was increased from 60 to 90 seconds. Otherwise I think 4 seconds is more fair.

Or maybe the stun is at 5 seconds if you're downed and picked up within 30 seconds of being unhooked, 4 seconds from 30-59 seconds and 3 seconds from 60-90.

Not at all. Just pointing out why you're confused.

@Orion completely agree with you. Enduring's change is out of the blue and they better consider situations where perks were changed to cope with Enduring. IMO enduring is fine where it is and has always been fine. Nothing about this perk was OP like ever.

@Orion, here is a quote from Peanits about the enduring change:

TL;DR, the change allows them to change stun perks.

“It's a couple different reasons.

1. The wording confused people. Many people think of "75% increased recovery" as "stuns only last 25% of the normal time". This is not the case. Instead of being stun time * (1 - 0.75), it's actually stun time / 1.75. Your stun is only reduced by about 43% when you increase the recovery speed by 75%. With stuns just being half as long, it's much simpler. 2 seconds becomes 1 seconds, bing bang boom, everyone understands.
2. The pallet stun durations are actually going to be about 0.15 seconds shorter.
3. This way we can re-evaluate stun perks and better balance their stun times. Currently we need to make sure that anything affected by enduring lasts long enough that it doesn't render enduring completely useless. Take a look at DS, for example. It was a 4 seconds stun, where the survivor was locked into the animation for one second. This leaves you with only ~1.28 seconds to run if the killer is using DS. As a result, the stun time was raised to 5 seconds, giving you ~1.85 seconds to run. With that in mind, we could potentially lower it back down to 4 seconds (or even 3 seconds) after this change, making it more consistent whether or not you're using enduring.

It basically allows us better control over balancing stun perks so you're not forced to run enduring just to counter them. All things considered, you probably aren't getting hit with stun perks all too often currently. Decisive strike is easily avoidable and Head On is like a unicorn (it just doesn't exist, and I won't believe you if you say you've seen one). Ultimately you're going to save loads more time with the pallet stun reduction than you would lose from stun perks.”

I don't think they will change it anytime soon. But i also don't think its a big problem. We are getting a small buff to enduring and who use enduring to counter DS anyway? I use that perk for mostly the combo enduring + spirit fury.

I rarely get stunned by DS because i don't tunnel prople and if i happen to find the injured i can leave it in dying state and come back later. Or just take the DS and down them again if im sure they won't last long.

It did, and it always has except for the PTB. You forgot about the QnA they had after the ptb where he explicity stated "Enduring should not properly effect head on and DS." They put that on the patch notes with the 5s buff so killers wouldn't lose their ######### that ds is as strong as it used to be.

I agree with this, but I was thinking if you hook another survivor. And the timer shouldn't go down while you're chasing them since it should be anti tunnel, and the timer doesn't go down while you're slugged so you can't tunnel them then stare at them for 60s. But you lose the timer if you down and hook another survivor.

@Victory

I wonder why they wrote "The Enduring perk now affects Decisive Strike's stun" in the 2.6.3 Patch Notes if it had already worked in 2.6.0. Or was there a PTB between 2.6.0 and 2.6.3? Can you link to the quote where he (who?) said, "Enduring should not properly effect head on and DS." I'll correct my post to add it if you can provide it.

And they already said that the DS fiasco was the breaking point for them to change enduring because they either kept under or overshooting it to accomodate values with or without taking enduring into the equation. They specifically refered to DS when talking about it. Again, chill.

@Victory Thanks, I'll make the correction. I also noticed that there was also a thread made in March 20th about it also, so I'll link to that also.

3 seconds was too short even without enduring

I think 4 is fair, definitely no to 3. The perk was reworked (nerfed) to be a tunneling counter, the stun should’ve never been lowered from 4 to 3 in the first place after making the perk situational. Now that Enduring doesn’t effect it, simply revert it from 5 back to what it was before and there shouldn’t be any complaining about it.

tbh, when MoM is changed the way it was described, it would be another reason to go for the unhooked person instead of the one who unhooked. Not giving MoM Stacks is simply a Plus for tunneling. If DS stays the same way and punishs tunneling, this would be a nice thing.

(In fact, people can still play around DS... So the Stun can be 5 minutes and a Killer can still decide if he wants to take the risk to get hit by DS or not...)