(PLEASE READ) Making DBD More Fun for Everyone

My hope is the devs will see alot of these changes as high importance. I appreciate the praise :D

That's fine if you do not agree with some of what is in the document. I just wanted some base for discussion of the changes proposed. I do not know if you can just remove add-ons, but your reasoning does not make sense. If there is a max, and no designated minimum, then add-ons would be abled to be removed.

Perhaps it could be lowered. However, a similar argument could be given for Ghostface. For example, if Ghostface just stalks a generator and causes two people to be exposed, in most instances, only one of them will be chased and hooked. I understand the point, however, I think the survivors do deserve to be rewarded for not going down during a tier 3 myers run. Then again, I do not think it would hurt removing it.

Going to be honest, no idea what BNP stands for. So I cannot respond to that.. but the others things.

Even if the aura add-ons are not used often, it does not mean the amount of time alloted to a key is relatively high with the add-ons.

I agree, sabotaging bear traps is typically not a good move. However, in the rare instances where numerous people run sabotage builds, the trapper's power cannot be gone for nearly as long.

Even if this were the case, this can force the wraith out of cloak much farther away from a survivor. Again, the Wraith has no counterplay to this besides approaching from covered positions. However, this becomes a huge problem on more open maps like Blood lodge, Mount Ormond, Red Forest, etc. The time can be adjusted for the proper time in game, assuming the wiki is wrong.

That's a fair point. I think it can be changed to stay active if the survivor is in the dying state through the next hook. This would make sure this situation would not happen.

I thought about changing Deliverance to this. However, this creates a lot of problems with the in game interface, and the overall idea of the perk. It is a risk to run the perk, as the safe unhook may not happen. If it were changed to this, there is no longer a risk to running it, as typically by your second hook, you should have unhooked someone. There still needs to be a risk running the perk, but not an absolute punishment for it getting nullified. That said I thought the bloodpoint bonus would help mitigate that, but I would be open to in game effects.

Perhaps the Lithe change would not be that strong. Who knows.

I would not be opposed to these MOM changes. Ash needs some love in terms of his teachables.

The removal of the 128 meters is because by having that within the description, it implies that some maps are larger than 128 meters. Of course, people who have played the game for a long time know this is not true, however, newer players will not know this. Bye bye confusion.

Yes and Im excited :D

Thanks man. Regarding Brand New Part, they are not #########, especially when multiple of them are run. This is where the problem lies. Looking at the math side of things, if a player hits both skill checks, 25% of the generator is done over 5 seconds. This is a 15 second time save, not including the progress they do while on the generator at the same time. This means solo, excluding all great skil checks annd toolbox bonus speed, a generator now takes 65 seconds to complete. 15 seconds is massive in a game like this, especially against optimized players. Even against non optimized players, when multiple of these are run it can allow for games to be taken over at lower ranks extremely easily. This 5% nerf allows for this take over not to happen at the high or low ends of the game.

That is not a 40% repair speed bonus. The Commodius toolbox only offers a 15% buff to repair speed and Socket Swivels offer a 15% repair speed buff. (I tested this in game to make sure it aligned with the wiki) This means a generator takes 62 seconds to complete, excluding skill checks. Again BNP is much faster, as it is only 65 seconds, excluding bonus repair speed with toolbox, great skill checks, and repairing while installing BNP. BNP is still significantly faster for one generator, and again the main concern is when multiple of these are run.

Definitely not more killer oriented. If you read through the whole thing, there are numerous buffs to both ends to allow counterplay on both ends. But what exactly is to killer biased in this post?

Not sure if this is to highlight how the document is "killer oriented". Because, if so, this is a realtively poor argument.

Moris were nerfed in the document. Significantly. The context in which they are "cool" in the document, is the animation of the mori, which is pretty cool.

Hex changes allow for counterplay when it comes to totems, and force survivors to treat them as an actual secondary objective in the game. It is no longer knowing every totem spot on the map and just checking them, it is now interactable. Sure the times could be adjusted if the time change is to much, but in its current state hex totems are poor design. Maybe this is or isn't the solution, but it is one presented.

Killer buffs are to make the killer side feel much more consistent, especially for the weak killers (I.e Doctor, Trapper, and Wraith are the big 3.) There were also killer nerfs within the document to the Hag, Huntress, and Hillbilly. There were also numerous survivor buffs, and indirect nerfs to killers with the high number of perk changes for survivor.

Toolboxes, again is misleading, but an overall buff. Just because BNP was nerfed, does not mean toolboxes overall were nerfed. In fact, items in general were buffed when finding them in game, and toolboxes got an additional add-on that allows for 50 charges to be added to a toolbox with both charge add-ons instead of 45.

Clarify me if I'm wrong, but was your intention to prove that the document is killer bias?

Moris would slightly encourage tunneling in a way. Currently, they encourage tunneling significantly more. However, with the mori changes, tunneling is severely punished for simply going for an animation, as it becomes a practically normal game.

Yes, as I said I am rank 1 survivor. It's not designed to be perfect, however, I see your point. We could remove the offerings allowed for killer, and keep the ones for survivor. And we could also remove the skillcheck + noise etc. 15 minutes is a massive exaggeration, especially if 4 people are searching. Like I said, its designed to force a secondary objective in the game, and most totem perks should require a response.

Stating that rank x killer can give hell is an extremely poor argument. You can win with any of the killers at any ranks, however, the problem arises with fluidity and counterplay. Even if you can win with x killer at x rank, the fact that the wraith has near 0 mindgame, excluding red glow, when it comes to looping. Even with this change, the mindgame still is not great, as the base forces him to remain in cloak. (I understand the pink add-on which could be changed). Doctor has so many fluidity problems, the change helps him with these. The buff to base shock range is to actual let his power be usable at non short loops (75% of the loops in the game)

The problem with the trapper is not prediction. This was mentioned or even suggested anywhere within the changes. The changes are to allow him to start with his traps, and not waste extreme amounts of time traveling across the map to collect traps. I agree not ever killer has to be top tier, and these changes do not make them close to top tier.

This is a terrible argument. When you use this argument you are insinuating that a game cannot have counterplay because it is not competitive. This fallacy is has the potential to breed bad design and is not healthy for any game. I understand the game is played by a lot of casuals. However, the truth about this game is in reality it has a steeper learning curve the more you rank up. The same fact will happen with the changes listed in the document on both sides. The entry learning curve does not change drastically, and it does make it slightly steeper the more you rank up, but that naturally happens as more stuff is added in a game. Eventually casuals will learn how to beat x play by x killer like normal. The drastic changes are the wraith's new ability, the doctor shock, and totems will affect more games than any, however, survivors will learn to deal with these. This also does not address the rank either, as even matchmaking still assures fair games for survivors and killers, especially at lower ranks. Therefore, the barrier for entry does not change drastically.

I appreciate the compliment. I'm going to be honest, I thought the devs could come up with it. But it needs to be noticable, yet still hideable if not looking carefully. I'm thinking a plank of wood with a moose small moose skull attached to the top with fire in the eyes of the skull. But who knows? That's the fun in something like this haha. You could put it wherever you like, just remember it can be destroyed by a survivor.

Thanks :D. Again, the document is not perfect, and the totems might require a bit to much time. But who knows, we would not really know until it is implemented in a test run. We would have to see :D