A solution to our lovely little swf problem

@TheXenoborg said:

@switch said:
No. just easier
x2 swf players = x2 perks disable (random)
x3 swf players = x3 perks disable (random)
x4 swf players = x4 perks disable

SWF players can still dominate without perks.

agree they would stii be poweful but not as stupid as swf is right now, give them a drawback something.
Trust me no metter how much anyone whines they will never remove swf.

@ShrimpTwiggs said:

@switch said:
No. just easier
x2 swf players = x2 perks disable (random)
x3 swf players = x3 perks disable (random)
x4 swf players = x4 perks disable

I'm not sure if this will completely fix the issue. Because of voice comms, SWF groups still have access to perks like Bond, Empathy, and Kindred. They just don't need perks spots to use them.

yes but no self care = time waste on getting to others to heal you or being exposed.
dstrike wouldn't be such a broken perk (this is where dstrike is broken, i dont mind it outside swf)
sprint burst = no more easy dodge for 1st hit.
It will help alot trust me.

@TheXenoborg said:

@Visionmaker said:
Replace Survivors with AI.

No more whine threads E.Z.

Force SWF survivors to play with an AI killer. All problems fixed.

I'd be down with that lmao

Take out every player that plays with friends in the game and put them in an AI queue. I don't want ever to play with whiny, toxic players, and I don't really care if there is a player chasing us or an AI.

And whiny killer mains lobby dodge for every reason under the sun anyway, so who the hell cares? At least then would get to play with items and wear prestige without triggering somebody.

2 swf - no terror radius
3 swf - no terror radius and no red stain
4 swf - survivors have a terror radius and red stain.... FIXED....

@MumboJumbo said:

@deadwolfwalking said:
2 swf - no terror radius
3 swf - no terror radius and no red stain
4 swf - survivors have a terror radius and red stain.... FIXED....

That is game breaking. That is way to overpowered. 2 swf and no terror radius? That is broken. Besides, I usually stay in 4 man swf so i can become better as killer.

its supposed to be 'game breaking'.... the purpose is to discourage SWF....

@RSB said:

@MumboJumbo said:
@deadwolfwalking
How about this:
1 survivor- Permanent Ruin, 50% regression for a great skill check.
2 Survivors - 300% survivor action penalty.
3 Survivors - 100 Gens.
4 Suvivors - Insta down, 300% speed, teleportation, insta-mori, no terror radius, see all survivors auras, if survivors move and they get the mangled status effect. Also 1000% more blood points for killer, 1000% less blood points for survivors, and they get set back to rank 20, killers get to rank 1.

HAHAHA, YOU GOT IT? HE WROTE IT LIKE THAT, BECAUSE KILLERS ARE SO OP PLZ NERF, BUT THEY WANT BUFFS, HAHA!!1! IT WAS SARCASM HAHAH!11!1 GOT IT? got it?/?

Not even funny. SWF needs to be fixed and we both know that.

Don't know why you're lashing out at him of all people, considering salty killers in the thread... in every thread... are the ones unironically giving out brain dead suggestions that kill the game.

Hurhur guys, 0 perks for SWF, 40% repair speed reduction, default moris for 4 stacks, SWF indicators so SWF can be dodged, etc. etc. Literally all suggestions posted within the last week.

@Visionmaker said:

@RSB said:

@MumboJumbo said:
@deadwolfwalking
How about this:
1 survivor- Permanent Ruin, 50% regression for a great skill check.
2 Survivors - 300% survivor action penalty.
3 Survivors - 100 Gens.
4 Suvivors - Insta down, 300% speed, teleportation, insta-mori, no terror radius, see all survivors auras, if survivors move and they get the mangled status effect. Also 1000% more blood points for killer, 1000% less blood points for survivors, and they get set back to rank 20, killers get to rank 1.

HAHAHA, YOU GOT IT? HE WROTE IT LIKE THAT, BECAUSE KILLERS ARE SO OP PLZ NERF, BUT THEY WANT BUFFS, HAHA!!1! IT WAS SARCASM HAHAH!11!1 GOT IT? got it?/?

Not even funny. SWF needs to be fixed and we both know that.

Don't know why you're lashing out at him of all people, considering salty killers in the thread... in every thread... are the ones unironically giving out brain dead suggestions that kill the game.

Hurhur guys, 0 perks for SWF, 40% repair speed reduction, default moris for 4 stacks, SWF indicators so SWF can be dodged, etc. etc. Literally all suggestions posted within the last week.

Thanks for being sane.

@deadwolfwalking
Yeah my bro will carry me out on a hook so I don't have to walk!

@MumboJumbo said:
@TheXenoborg
I feel that the add-ons would be a little bit crazy and the 2x bloodpoint bonus, but opting out and removing the cap or opting out and having the 2x bloodpoint bonus would be pretty helpful.

i agree with that too....

@TheXenoborg said:

@fcc2014 said:

@TheXenoborg said:

Technically a survivor main since 99% of my games are survivor. I rarely play killer. I also don't want SWF to be removed since I'm one of the people who actually wanted a mode like this back in 2016.

So why remove them from the lobby pool to play against AI. I think the trolls might like that but it would hurt the game long term.

I was being sarcastic. Seeing how most SWF players are trolls, maybe it's not such a bad idea?

This right here is why the people using swf as an excuse can't be believed. They use made up claims and then expect everyone to believe them. I play solo and swf as well as killer and my discord is always hilarious when playing.

We joke about the killer making bad plays as well as when we do like turning into a dead end. We'll joke about begging the killer to spare us and if we get dropped we think yay. Then they go ahead and hook us and we joke about how rude they were.

If the killer outplayed us we say good game, if we outplayed them it's the same thing. If the killer is camping us and just nodding at us non stop and smacking us hoping we give up we laugh. We then get serious and do gens more quickly and when they say ez I'l say.

Did you forget to bring the tent and campfire to go with your camp. IF they weren't too much of a jerk about it as in they only did it when gates were powered I'll say how rude it was not to have made a campfire so I could roast marshmallows while there.

Most of the killers get a laugh out of the good banter and some even apologize for the camp to which I respond it was all good and legitimate ocne the gates were powered. There's been time I'll let myself be caught if the killers played a good match and hasn't gotten anyone down. Because I want them to get some bonus points out of the match.

Lastly the made up bs about most swf are trolls is about as true as there's oxygen on Mars. There's probably some but not a lot and it's probably really hard to find. Just as in most games there's always going to be a toxic minority. This game is no different and that extend to the killer side as well.

I feel like killers can at least get a couple of extra perks. Removing survivors' perks is a stupid idea because this game is very boring without perks. Action speed debuff and all other stuff makes the game even more boring. If the killers can get at least a couple of more perks, the game would be more fun for them because they can try new builds.

@TheXenoborg said:

Cool. Except there's abundant anecdotes in forms of posts, streams and videos of SWF mostly being an instrument for trolls.

That's not evidence though, that's simply a collection of people whining about it. How many videos and posts are out there that say the exact opposite? We could each post the exact same number of things yet you and the others would still say your facts are right etc.

Most of any given community never goes to a forum yet alone posts threads, comments or videos of any kind for the game they play. I've just as many post, threads, streams and videos of killers being toxic and or hacking. But that doesn't mean all killers are like that not by any means it's just a small % that does it and the same for survivor side doing toxic things.

I've seen solo queue survivors be super toxic before and in fact had a game this am where 1 survivor griefed another by tea bagging them in front of where they were hooked. The killer came and chased them around and when they tea bagged and tried to sandbag the unhooked victim the killer wouldn't take the bait. In fact the killer went after the toxic survivor and downed them and went after everyone else regularly but kept going after the toxic player 1st.

When I'm killer if I see someone being toxic on survivor side i hardcore go after them, i don't camp but they get my special attention. If I'ma survivor and someone is toxic I'll still try and help some but I'm not going out of my way for them.

Most people on both sides are decent and to claim otherwise is to do the temper tantrum 2 year old stomping in the corner with your hands over your ears.

@TheXenoborg said:

@powerbats said:

@TheXenoborg said:

Cool, that just proves survivor games are risk-free which encourages trolling, SWF just makes it a lot efficient for them.

You just proved my point about using Logical Fallacies when you can't argue a point.

You made no point. Just because you experienced some toxic solo survivors ONCE doesn't mean things are perfect and it certainly doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. One instance vs several anecdotes online + my own personal experience (as an active SWF player and a killer faceing SWF survivors), I know who to believe. yawn.

You again proved my point, I've stated on many occasions I'eve experienced toxicity in solo queue. I didn't say only once that was you using a Straw Man fallacy. You then turn to using a Red Herring thereby proving my point yet again.

Your several anecdotes means nothing and you know it. Since unless you can show evidence from every single players games your argument means nothing. You're claiming all swf groups are toxic yet provide no factual evidence.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.

So just like your logical fallacies we can dismiss your made up facts on the spot. We can now safely dismiss you as yet another forum troll who doesn't actually care about facts only their own personal opinions.

Solution don't play killer if you can't handle swf

@TheXenoborg said:

@powerbats said:

@TheXenoborg said:

@powerbats said:

@TheXenoborg said:

What nonsense. This isn't some UN debate, get off your high horse, please. And you call me a troll? Lol

Still trying the Straw Man and Red Herrings and still failing and yes you proved my point about being a troll.

I'm not a troll. You're asking for unreasonable "evidence" and you know it. I don't know if you aspire to be a lawyer or something but you are definitely annoying with your baseless arguments. As I said, there are countless accounts of actual players, all different from each other in many ways, saying the exact same thing about SWF. The devs also feared the same regarding this mode before caving to our demands. It's 2018, get searchin'. If you choose to ignore all of that, then that's not really my problem. You really lack logic for someone who says "logical fallacies" every 5 seconds. lol I also do not need to prove you anything since it's already been proven by many others. All you have to do is look around you.

No I'm asking you to back up your claims using the same logic you use to deny me my`claims. if you can't provide evidence to back up your claims other than your own personal bias you can't be believed anymore than you refuse to believe me.

As far as get searching use your own advice and you'll see there's just as many videos not showing toxicity. But you refuse to do that because it'd refute your claims. It's a absolute impossibility that all swf groups are toxic yet you still try and claim that.

Okay, bootleg Sheldon, quote me where I said all SWF are toxic. Your arguments are baseless. I play SWF regularly, so that means I'm calling myself toxic. What nonsense. In the end, you are not an authority figure to me to demand evidence from me in such a manner. Your education is not my responsibility. I have expressed no personal bias in my comments. That's what you've projected about me throughout the comments.

Wait what, you've expressed no personal bias? Are you really claiming that after all that you've posted. This discussion has obviously reached it's end point if that's how you'll continue to respond. Make claims eyt refuse to back them up with actual empirical evidence and then turn around and misrepresent what someone that didn't agree with you stated.

@TheXenoborg said:

Where’s the part where I said all SWF are toxic? While you’re at it, highlight comments which you feel show I have a personal bias against the mode. Come on, Shelly!

To end this quickly since' Id rather concentrate on more positive discussion the bias is displayed where you say based upon your games and the stuff you've seen. You claim that proves you`right while dismissing what anyone else says.You probably don't even realize that's what you're doing but if you look at it objectively you'll see.

Visionmaker said:

@RSB said:

@MumboJumbo said:
@deadwolfwalking
How about this:
1 survivor- Permanent Ruin, 50% regression for a great skill check.
2 Survivors - 300% survivor action penalty.
3 Survivors - 100 Gens.
4 Suvivors - Insta down, 300% speed, teleportation, insta-mori, no terror radius, see all survivors auras, if survivors move and they get the mangled status effect. Also 1000% more blood points for killer, 1000% less blood points for survivors, and they get set back to rank 20, killers get to rank 1.

HAHAHA, YOU GOT IT? HE WROTE IT LIKE THAT, BECAUSE KILLERS ARE SO OP PLZ NERF, BUT THEY WANT BUFFS, HAHA!!1! IT WAS SARCASM HAHAH!11!1 GOT IT? got it?/?

Not even funny. SWF needs to be fixed and we both know that.

Don't know why you're lashing out at him of all people, considering salty killers in the thread... in every thread... are the ones unironically giving out brain dead suggestions that kill the game.

Hurhur guys, 0 perks for SWF, 40% repair speed reduction, default moris for 4 stacks, SWF indicators so SWF can be dodged, etc. etc. Literally all suggestions posted within the last week.

If your referring to my post about giving a small 10% penalty to heal repair and altruism speed when in swf. It was shown to add like a few seconds to actions. Math may not be your strong suit. But I laid it all out. At least my idea was presented in a non biased non cry baby way. So take a shot at me if you want. But people can read my suggestion themselves.