Devs, are you gonna ignore Legion's problems for the next 6 months?

For one, those add ons are pretty lazy by design. And second, add ons are meant to aid a killer, if the Devs aren't careful then the Nurse will just come out even stronger then she is now with add ons. Especially since her add ons might come on line with other killers, like not having any downside to using them.

Devs doing something about an issue? 😂 In what world do you think that’s gonna happen?

Thank Mrs. Queen for your transparency, it means a lot to the community! 🙂

I always love seeing not_Queen respond. She's more upfront to us rather than other's. I love you, Queen. Thank you. <3

Legion would be fine with a less-than-lethal power but better map pressure. That was the idea behind the rework but it was so ham-fisted, it hasn't made them unplayable, but its made them un-fun.

In the context of the game, enduring a 5 second eyes-closed stun should have a worthwhile reward, nobody wants to keep stunning themselves half the game, a stun like that should be a powerful ability, not utter garbage. But as they have said Legion is a see-saw balance wise as nobody wants to see the old Legion back.

I do like the idea of deep wounds refiling the timer though, that's a good start.

Well if it was so, can you explain why some people have do counterplay and while we already question things... Why the Legion was not number 1 in the kill rate statistic?

It is ok, if you were not able to do it. Not everyone was good enough for it, like not everyone is able to loop, or some people always missing a skill check by a gen, but that doesn't mean, that those things are not possible.

And if you like to have videos that proves it... They are on YouTube. Those videos would have been also impossible to made, if there would have been no counterplay.

Don't blame the game because you were not able to do it and also don't be ashamed by it. Not everyone can be good in everything.

Thats just how it is. We all have our weaknesses.

Awesome finally someone answered about the situation with Legion it gives me hope

Meanswhile what I think that all Nurse add-ons are change into something like...

"Survivors hit by Blink Attack suffer from the Haemorrhage Status Effect for 30 seconds."

"Survivors hit by Blink Attack suffer from the Blindness Status Effect for 30 seconds."

"Survivors hit by Blink Attack suffer from the Exhuastion Status Effect for 15 seconds."

"Survivors hit by Blink Attack suffer from the Mangled Status Effect for 60 seconds."

"Survivors hit by Blink Attack suffer from the Hindered Status Effect for 30 seconds."

"Survivors hit by Blink Attack suffer from the Broken Status Effect for 60 seconds."

//How to make Nurse become mid-tier Killer 101 😂👌

The issue isn't that Legion was too strong (well franks was but I'll get to that in a sec), but that skill doesn't matter that much when playing against him.

Not just that his skill doesn't really matter, but yours doesn't either. You will be downed after a mostly fixed duration of time no matter your skill level. You may be able to delay it for a few seconds but not long enough to really matter in the long run.

The reason why he was bad is because that fixed time is long enough that the other Survivors will have time to gen rush before he has time to do better than maybe a 2k.

That's where Franks comes in. With this addon he downs you significantly faster, still in terms of a fixed time however, so with that he passes a threshhold that lets him start 4king, again still with very little skill involved on both sides.

So ideally the fix would be to increase the difficulty of using his power and also increasing the reward for successfully using it by far more so that he can be a good Killer.

You are right... We are even not be able to take that as a serious argument, that a person has no counterplay after it got hitten by a hatchet from the huntress... (but we should take it better as a serious argument if we look what the nerf cryers have made with the Legion).

Still it was a argument of a nerf cryer.

The most people know that they have to avoid the hatchets, or the chainsaws as soon as the abilitie for it got activated, because the counterplay starts then and not after billy had ram a chainsaw into your back.

But the same was with the default Legion, aka a Legion without any addons attached. I know a lot of people that have play on this way, because for many people I at least know, the addons were to strong and have taken out the fun.

The fun for a player like me was, to do something viable in a short amount of time. Not to do the same in a feeled hour (I know it was not a hour, but feeled...), thanks to addons you have also mentioned.

You and me, we are pretty close in the way we see the Legion, I guess, but nobody should forget imo the weakness of the pure base Legion abilities.

You just seem not really to have made much experience with the Legion without the mentioned addons from you.

What the ptb matters, so I didn't know much about that time.

I have come shortly after the Legion ptb to dbd. I was "fixed on" (if we like to say so), by a YouTuber and his friends that I like to watch (they playing all kinds of games, not just dbd), but I still was not sure if I should buy the game, but then I had saw a Legion advertisment video and I had know... "This killer you would like to play, no matter if he is op, or if he is the most weaken character in the game" and well... Thats my story I have come to dbd.

But you can believe me that I had met survivors that were happy with the Legion in the days back than. They had thank me for the challenging games. I had even start to make screenshots from those chats, so that I can prove it (because I know how the internet is thinking - aka. screenshots or it didn't happen).

@Omans

We will never understand each other. You seem to be on your hate train and what ever a Legion main says to you (aka. the person that knows the Legion most because they have spent the most time with it) you just play it down.

I have also see a ton of bad survivors in "the Legion is op lololol videos" and have sometimes wish that I encounter such stup... rhm... I mean different playing survivors, but in some videos its not even bad if someone shows not his full potential, because so we can see everything better.

Would you be able to learn better from a video where everyone do his thing in a matter of secounds, or would you be able to learn better from a video were the people act a bit slower, so that you can understand what happened better?

I would definitely learn better from the last type of video.

Also it is NOT healthy for the game when Legion mains left the game a whole type of playerbranch don't feel connected anymore to the game.

You can of course fly around with your opinion, but then you have to live with it, that Legion mains and also a part of the survivors will correct you.

@NuclearBurrito

You are right and I would be happy if a addon like Franks Mixtape had never seen the daylight. Sadly it had and I think that this addon and some others have hurt the Legion more (indirectly) as every nerf cryer could possible do.

But don't forgett that little pallet game, that you only needed to do against the old Legion. Also even I had play still with a variety of killers, I can't see much difference between the "skills" for other killers and the pre patch Legion, as long as we talk from the Legion without addons. With addons it was ridiculous.

No survivor was down from just 1 Legion hit. That was not even possible with the op addons and some of them have already made it really easy, buuut not that easy.

You can dislike the counters to the Legion, but that doesn't mean that they have not exist. You can't denie it. Too many survivor have done them and it got too many times showed in videos (I know, everytime the Legion was a noob, because everytime you complain about something, the others are noobs not... I got it).

Besides that, every killer with experience would down a survivor in a 1n1 situation, if he really goes tryhard on tunneling. If you think that you would have survive against me as example while I was playing Meyers, Nurse, or Trapper you would be very wrong if I would decide to tunnel you at all costs.

It is always bad if people leave a game, no matter which reasons they have, besides exploiters or people that are pure toxic (because those people lead other people to leave the game). You can turn it around like you want -the Legion patch was from a community perspective not a win for dbd.

Besides the one side that honest people have left the game and have with it stop to buy dlcs and cosmetics, the toxic type of player had feel encouraged because their weaponized dcing against a killer had work and even today those people plague and frustrate the people in the game.

Also specific game mechanics and specific killers talk to specific players. You get those people not in the game, without having something for them. It is always bad if a game has nothing to offer for a potential player, because that means you get less income (money) with your game.

You can hate the Legion players all you want and even insult them, still the game is more profitable with them, as without them.

Agreed. Nurse first, then the weaker killers.

@Talmeer

Do you even remember old legion? I can't even count how many times I went down after just one hit. I don't like players who disconnect, but I don't blame them even a little bit when it was against a legion like that.

If you don't play killer well you will not catch me. You will chase me for 5 generators and I will run out the gates. The better player wins. With legion that was not the case. Even a player like you, with no understanding of good balance, could down a player like me. Every down legion got was guaranteed. Survivor skill meant nothing.

This is not an excuse, the legion rework is a stain on the devs curriculum.

They had a concept for killer who could nullify one v one and they caved in to survivors disconnecting instead of punishing the disconnectors.

And with this surrender they created the most unfunny and trash killer.

The only idiot whose power PREVENTS him from downing survivors.

Legion needs urgent action to be made playable rather than a pile of steaming garbage

@Almo @Not_Vietfox

Precisely!!!

Nobody wants an exploiting moon walking legion , but not even this Clown we got

You're not explicitly mentioning it but I feel like it is implied enough to address, and it also gets brought up a lot: Dealing Deep Wound damage with the Feral Frenzy attack is too unfun and can never come back.

The exploit that you could perform by looking away or walking backwards is not the only issue with the power. Simply run Bloodhound, now no survivor can ever escape from you and you will always down them shortly after your power has recharged twice. Twice because the first and second hit don't require you to recharge.

Now you could say "Well just remove the bleeding when in Deep Wounds" but then everyone can just simply switch in Predator and accomplish the exact same thing, you can never escape from a Legion player as a survivor.

You could remove both the scratch marks and the bleeding while Deep Wounds is active but then you can just run Stridor and if the survivor isn't running Iron Will then there is once again nothing they can do to escape. It's not enough to stop the bleeding and scratch marks while Feral Frenzy is active because once you can move again it's very easy to find the blood trail or the scratch marks and then follow the survivor with Bloodhound or Predator.

To make the old power work the following changes need to implemented:

• survivors don't bleed while Deep Wounds is active
• survivors don't leave scratch marks while Deep Wounds is active
• survivors don't make pain sounds while Deep Wounds is active

And at that point you might as well just rework the power like has been done instead of trying to make a badly designed and unfun power work.

The slow vault is required because enables counterplay where you can hide a bit out of sight of the killer and vault back.

I believe you, but it is also a fact that the dcing guys have take it as their "victory" (like they sometimes write it in this, or the steam forums) and everytime something like that happens, it encourages people like them and that means as a consequence of it, that they continue with their toxic behavior and also it spreads since people have got the feeling that it has worked.

From the post you made before the one I quote here:

To me that reads like you want the ability to deal Deep Wound damage back.

It removes any possibility whatsoever to get away, from any killer of any skill level. That's bad.

No, my point is that it's not enough to remove that only during the fatigue but after as well. With Bloodhound and Predator you can just follow the trail after the fatigue ends. There is no way to get away from the killer if they have one of those perks. Same with Stridor, though admittedly that one is much weaker for finding survivors after fatigue than the other two.

It does not. When the fatigue ends you can see blood and scratch marks.

Bamboozle doesn't work on pallets. Dodging a Feral Frenzy hit is far too difficult to be considered consistent counterplay.

Except I said Feral Frenzy, NOT Deep Wounds. If you paid attention you'll see that I am treating both as different things because they are, I want Feral Frenzy to be good, Deep Wounds shouldn't exist.

"It removes any possibility whatsoever to get away, from any killer of any skill level. That's bad."

So killers in general shouldn't be able to track blood now? Is that what you are suggesting?

"No, my point is that it's not enough to remove that only during the fatigue but after as well. With Bloodhound and Predator you can just follow the trail after the fatigue ends. There is no way to get away from the killer if they have one of those perks. Same with Stridor, though admittedly that one is much weaker for finding survivors after fatigue than the other two."

So basically you want killers to not be able to track blood or scratch marks, because those are tools a killer uses to find survivors. Actually, Legion is possibly the worst one to do so now considering Feral Frenzy blocks scratch marks, muffles noise, and removes blood. And the fatigue is four seconds, enough for a good survivor to hide away behind a rock or building. The main point is, Legion should not be excluded from tracking blood simply because their power can occasionally injure people more then average killers.

"It does not. When the fatigue ends you can see blood and scratch marks."

And why shouldn't it? The Legion becomes a normal killer after the fatigue, so my point still stands, unless you want killers to not be able to see blood or scratch marks, why should Legion be an exception to the rule?

"Bamboozle doesn't work on pallets. Dodging a Feral Frenzy hit is far too difficult to be considered consistent counterplay."

For whatever reason, you can vault faster now with bamboozle on pallets when you couldn't before. Also, it's no more difficult then dodging a normal hit. Sure the lunge is extended but a fail means you can run scott free.

DC penalties are in the works. We're aware it's an issue; but with deadicated servers, we'll have more tools to deal with chronic DCing players.