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Its about how Developers contact with reality
What is wrong with the game:
Balancing problems across the board
Infinite loading screens
"Shard offerings for testing killers" appearing in my blood-webs despite owning every killer in the game
Infinity loops in some maps
No "exit" button in first screen (which means if my internet goes down when I enter the game, the only way to exit is ctrl+alt+delete)
All survs are uglier than killers (ok, that's not so important but still)
Problems with localisation without fixes in 3(!!!) years
Dancing ping
Waiting for the lobby 100500 minutes for join to killer from another side of the world and 600 ping, and same situation for killers (just waiting is twice as long)
Rank system what means nothing coz rotation of ranks in lobby can dance between 18 to 1 for everyone, and doesn't matter what rank you have.
SWF and all problems with it
Useless report system
And many-many other stuff
WHAT OUR GREAT DEVELOPERS are focusing on:
Deleted the "switch button between killers and survs".
What I really want to say is: If everything the developers have done to this game is just one big troll on the community (coz I can't believe you really do not understand, what the playerbase wants/needs in this game after TONS of feedback) maybe its time to finally reveal the truth. 3 years of trolling, trolling been great. However you need to stop it and start working like normal developers. Seriously. You have amazing potential, but you continually walk back any progress with bad decisions or lax work in other areas of the game. Its time to stop and improve. Thank you for your time.
Im sorry for some mistakes in my letter, cause it is not my main lang, but i know so only here i have 0,001% chance to make you read this post.
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Hello, while your original post is good and details your complaints well. There are a few grammar issues, so I went through and fixed your post grammatically so your argument will be fully appreciated
What is wrong with the game:
Balancing problems across the board
Infinite loading screens
"Shard offerings for testing killers" appearing in my blood-webs despite owning every killer in the game
Infinity loops in some maps
No "exit" button in first screen (which means if my internet goes down when I enter the game, the only way to exit is ctrl+alt+delete)
All survs are uglier than killers (ok, that's not so important but still)
Problems with localisation without fixes in 3(!!!) years
Dancing ping
Waiting for the lobby 100500 minutes for join to killer from another side of the world and 600 ping, and same situation for killers (just waiting is twice as long)
Rank system what means nothing coz rotation of ranks in lobby can dance between 18 to 1 for everyone, and doesn't matter what rank you have.
SWF and all problems with it
Useless report system
And many-many other stuff
WHAT OUR GREAT DEVELOPERS are focusing on:
Deleted the "switch button between killers and survs".
What I really want to say is: If everything the developers have done to this game is just one big troll on the community (coz I can't believe you really do not understand, what the playerbase wants/needs in this game after TONS of feedback) maybe its time to finally reveal the truth. 3 years of trolling, trolling been great. However you need to stop it and start working like normal developers. Seriously. You have amazing potential, but you continually walk back any progress with bad decisions or lax work in other areas of the game. Its time to stop and improve. Thank you for your time.
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@Pandemic I’m really on fire today so I’ll reply to this post too (i’m actually procrastinating send help).
I’ve been playing the game for 8 months and there has been som huge improvements in that short timespan. The devs are making good progress on the health of the game. Also, I think the game is quite balanced if I’m hinest.
I think this game can be so incredibly infuriating, especially when a bundle of problems stacks in one game. Or two. It kind of makes us blind to all the good parts.
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Omg. Is this a spoof though? HAVE I BEEN TROLLED?
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@BlueFang I'm going to be honest here on one of the points, and this isn't necessarily a defense of Behavior, mind you.
I played MMO PvP for over a decade. Then Overwatch, Paladins, Heroes of the Storm, Apex, Realm Royale, and probably one or two I'm forgetting out of hand.
I've yet to see a PvP game that doesn't have balance issues across the board. I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible, especially when dealing with so many moving parts like all the hero kits in a MOBA or Hero team shooter, or all the perks and perk combinations in this kind of game. And then there are new heroes, or Perks for here, coming out all the time, just adding to the weight.
It's a major reason I've been half-considering just walking away from PvP games and going back to PvE games, and saying to hell with PvP except as maybe an occasional side thing in WoW.
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2 things I will agree one are the useless report system and the needless removal of the switch button.
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@BlueFang thnx for fixes.
@kamisen i play this game 2 years, and i can tell you so developers fix 10% of all issues. Half of this problems is absurd for normal games - added in pre-release and now the developers fix the stuff what they must finish in alfa or beta version - like regular developers doing. Ofc it is better than nothing, but too few for company like BE. DBD is not an indi project.
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I can guarantee that the report system does something. I used to be an ACM before becoming a community manager and I can promise that there are people looking at those reports. They didn't pay us to stand around and look pretty, sadly.
For the switch roles button; this is a side effect of the lobby changes in 3.2.0. Since the SWF option has been merged with the solo option, the button needed to be removed. Otherwise, you could have a friend join your lobby, switch to killer, and then be able to play killer with your friends in a public match. That's not something we could have.
These changes also allowed us to automatically regroup people with their friends after a match, something that we've been requested for a long time. When we look at the two options- delay the whole feature so we can update that one button, or remove the button for the time being- the choice was pretty clear. We opted to add the feature that people have been asking for sooner rather than letting a single button hold everything back.
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@Peanits am i right when i think so 90% of game problems what you dont fix for a long time is happens just cause you did the realy great mistake when chosed this game-engine, but when you understod this, the time is gone ?
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Also, the intersting moment - you ansver on neutral coment, but ignore the main post. Funny. Thats how it works.
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???
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@Peanits I know it's not your fault, since Im 99% sure you guys at the community team just aren't allowed to address these issues, but it sucks to over and over see you respond to some comments that have little to do with the actual posts and completely ignore said posts and the problems outlined in them ...
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Okay fair enough, but will the button ever come back?
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They've done it plenty of times before and ignored the main post and answer someone else, nothing new or surprising there
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A game can get close enough, but if it's any less symmetrical than something like an instagib match in Quake it won't be able to reach anything resembling perfect balance all around.
If there's any more assymetry than that you'll quite simply end up with some sort of tier list situation no matter what. Games can try in all the fancy ways they do to minimize the problems and at least cut down anything approaching strong dominant strategy territory, but with non-cosmetic variety comes imbalance.
A game can embrace the imbalance, desperately try to tweak it away (like Overwatch, Paladins and most MOBAs), lump stuff intotiers like rarity or cost (like Battler Royales and Counter Strike), try to go for a generalists vs specialists design philosophy (like TF2), but optimal choices will be there no matter what.
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While reading your post is seems most of what you wrote is more about personal wants bugs aside.
Always remember it's the devs vision of the game and they listen to the users but the the vast majority of ideas posted really aren't that great for the game.
Balance in a game like this is extremely hard to get perfect as most players forget about personal skill and knowledge. The rank systen is kind of at fault with that as a 5k hour player can verse a 50h one.
Being matched with someone with a ping of 600 only happens due to their wait time. Some regions will be quieter at certain times and some may also use a vpn so they will eventually be put into games with a high ping rather than not be able to play at all but for those in busy region that can seem to be instant when they join.
Over the past 18 months they have been closing the gap from where it was which was truly hard for killers especially.
40s gens and actual real infinites where the killer had no chance along with old DS and sprint burst activating every 30s. The problems today should be thankful they are far from the problems of the past.
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@oxygen "less symmetrical" and "balance" cant be in the same stuff, it is obviously. But i talk first about situation, when one killer (like nurse) can destroy all, and, in the same time, the Ghost can only be analclown for non-lowskill survs. In result, you must chose whant you want more - play your favorite or win.
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@twistedmonkey just imagine if every day someone give you a cup of garbage for a dinner, and when you ask "why i cant eat the real food", he say: "you should be thankful - we remoted ######### from this garbage - enjoy!". Bad argument.
If you dont know how to do right - maybe you need some practic before start to sell your product?
About balance i said in prev post.
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Then I would not longer eat what they intended to give me and go somewhere else so they would eventually not be feeding anyone as there would be no one left if it was that bad.
This game is more like a vender serving food that lots love but some don't like. That's not the venders fault it's simply not to everyone's taste. Those consumers would be better served going to another vender and eating the food they actually enjoy rather than expecting said vender to cater to their personal needs by changing the food the others enjoy too much.
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ZOINKS
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@twistedmonkey nanana, your example can be correct if we talk about games with real alternative. Like if i dont like Dota, i can drop it and play LoL or HoN... But DbD have no real competitors - other "killers vs survs" games is not really playable. DbD standing in one step higher of playable strap. But monopoly is not an argument for garbage, sad but true.
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How big are the different departments? I've wondered for a while, as someone who's been involved with a couple of indie game projects, how many people make up how many branches of a small but successful group like the DbD team.
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Disable the Switch to Killer button when the lobby has multiple people in it.
I know things aren't just "HOW HARD CAN IT BE, JUST FLIP THE SWITCH AND MAKE IT WORK" levels of easy when making a game, but this is a really goofy problem to not be able so solve.
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@Peanits "Changes take time"? Like bugged addon on hidden traps for Trapper what you fixed longer than half of year? Your team is SO small? Then i take all my words back. This game is a really great result for only 3 people team!
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That analogy is always correct as it simply says not all games are to your personal taste and it's why there are many games out there.
DBD doesn't have a monopoly it's just the best of what there is to offer. There is competition they just don't do it as well which does infact say alot for what the devs have done right but it comes down to personal preference if you actually enjoy the concept of the game or not.
Much like when you mention dota or lol I don't like moba's so I dont care for either game but I wouldn't say the are bad games and or the devs should do X or Y to the game to make it playable for myself as its not their design vision.
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At Least, thanks for don't delete negative posts in official forum, like many other company doing. Thats means you have balls - rare aspect of today.
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@twistedmonkey the problem is i already payed for this product. And you tell me i must eat what they give me and if i dont like it - well, next time i must try to use my magic powers for know how good game before i buy it. Perfect.
But if we talks seriously, if i pay for something, i can say what i dont like. And im not the only one in this opinion - you can check many other discussions for see i talk the truth. People dont like when developers doing nothing. People dont like when developers fix stuff what is not broken. And if other games is worse than DbD... well, be "the best of worse" - is not that achivement they can proud.
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Since quote got cut off:
"This game is more like a vender serving food that lots love but some don't like. That's not the venders fault it's simply not to everyone's taste. Those consumers would be better served going to another vender and eating the food they actually enjoy rather than expecting said vender to cater to their personal needs by changing the food the others enjoy too much."
You say that but what when they take away the food we already enough like some changes in the last patch? It's like pulling the rug from under us and saying "You might have liked it here but you've overstayed your welcome, time to look for a new home". But we liked our old home.
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It's fickle trying to balance for each consumer and why they have lots of options on the menu. If you liked one item that was removed who knows what others you may like but without trying them out you will never know.
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@twistedmonkey nice try. Do you rly think so many players like when even easy bugs fix by months, some perks obviously useless today, rank system is worse than before rework, and many other stuff what you can find in top message or in other disscussions? Is that your "options on the menu"? Please.
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@DudeDelicious oooh dat classic argument... "first get it!" Well, You do not need to be a chicken to understand that the egg is rotten.
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@DudeDelicious You made me laugh. Here, have an appreciatory upvote!
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Wrong. I know how to fix localization issues. Boom! And i know developers know about this problem in last years but doing nothing. The problem what can be fix in 10 minutes by 1 person who has acept to engine + google translate. Just a one example what can show how realy developers care about players. You want some more example, or you will try to find real arguments?
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@kamisen i say what i say coz i know how it works in most percent of engines. If BE's developers made their engine with no ways to simple edit just a text without any code - well... than i cant imagine how the same people made game what can works without fatal errors after every single operation.
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There's plenty of these changes/fixes we all want no doubt. But given the small team they have to work with, smaller back in the day since they released it, they're definitely doing work and have improved the game. I've been around since the beginning and it's vastly improved in my opinion.
Sure, I agree that they need to shift their priorities around...but the fact that we're still getting updates and patches, along with a road map, and hell DEDICATED SERVERS! The team is doing a "pretty good job" so far with what they got.
Keep it going.
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@SeekerOfSouls please read all discussion before answer, thanks.
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Fixing a bug may seem straight forward but its not always the case.
First they have to recreate the bug which can take hours, days or even weeks so they have the data.
They then have to work out why it is bugged and what caused it and then work at fixing that while trying not breaking anything else in the process some are simple some are complex.
Once a fix is provided It then goes for internal testing which may or may not yield the results to push it to live. If not it's back to working on fixing it and testing again.
These steps for are for just one bug can you imagine if its a few they are working on. Some bugs can be done quickly but the majority cannot.
The rank system they are working on see above. It would be a lot worse to simply deploy a quick fix hoping it works but instead breaks many other things in the process.
A company like BHVR do not have the resources as say Blizzard who also have bugs which are hard to fix and can take a long time.
Any multiplayer game you will play has bugs and balance problems as they are forever changing and changes mean new and unforseen problems it's just how multiplayer games are.
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@Pandemic I have, and my post/opinion still stands. Sorry if you don't like it, but we all have our opinions, maybe you just need to take a break? Clearly you're very upset over a game.
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You are here just 8 months. You have no clue what the veteran players are dealing with for 3 years.
Sound still bugged btw.
Still no colour blind option btw.
Still no real graphic settings btw.
Fps are still tanking against doctor and Freddy dreamworld btw.
Just to name a few absolute basic things.. It's really embarrassing.
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@twistedmonkey just look at some messages in top, i showed how to fix one of the elder and easier problem what no need tests or resourses - only 1 man and 10 minutes.
@SeekerOfSouls i asked you about reading just for do not repeat my words. If you dont agree - please find some arguments for your position first.
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@Pandemic Sorry? I don't need your permission to post my opinion or to post if I disagree in any certain way that you see fit.
Clearly you feel, and in your opinion, the devs aren't performing to YOUR expectations. No doubt you aren't the only one who feels this way, but your approach and the way you handle counter arguments/criticism is childish. Like in one of the posts (which I've read all from the beginning) you flat out just say "Wrong"... Get over yourself.
My position? As I stated before, devs aren't meeting YOUR personal expectations and are just not doing good enough overall. In my FIRST post I've made in your thread, I clearly made my position.
I. Disagree.
Can't take you seriously. So have fun rage posting, I'm all set.
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@SeekerOfSouls ofc you can say and write all what you want, we all live in freedom (i hope). But in normal disscussion opponents trying to prove their opinion with real arguments. Obviously i think so developers is not good for me - and said, why. Also i added example how they can fix some issues right now. Also i can expect they stop ignore things what ruin my game expirience, as a man who pay for their product.
And what you said, if we focus on sence of your letter? "lol, you are kid, thats means your words is nothing, also you angry, cya". You focus on my person, not on sence of topic. Thats calling "demagogy"
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Your Google translate scenario does not work. It may seem like it does on paper but if you had been here long enough you would have seen posts from players aking jokes about referring to them using it and why certain translations are wrong.
Google translate is the one of the worst ways you can use to translate certain languages it is no where near infallable and has many mistakes with it.
Logic and reason it seems doesn't matter as you seem stuck in your ways. GL with the game and I hope you find some enjoyment with it in the future again.
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In-general, I agree with the OP.
But I gotta say this, despite everything that's happened in the games lifespan, the devs do actually get on-top of some things that're wrong with the game. This may not be all the time like everyone hopes, but it does happen from time to time.
Would they like to do it all the time? Yes. Can they with how much effort and time it takes to work on a project, but several things break in its wake? No.
Things take time, and sadly, some people can't accept that. But yes, there are times where communication isn't great on subjects, and I wish that it would be in the future.
Maybe after dedicated servers are finished, will they be able to fix things in a more fluent pace like people desire so much. But I have to agree that somethings getting fixed years later when they could've been done a lot quick... is really odd.
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You are absolutely within your rights to make complaints about a product you're not satisfied with.
You can do it in a more constructive way.
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