The matchmaking change makes it hard to play with newbie friends
The Stranger Things chapter brought in a LOT of interest from some of my friends that are huge Stranger Things fans. I'm rank 1 and my friends are only around rank 15, still learning the game quite a bit. But now if I queue with them...even though there's three rank 15s, we get a Rank 1 killer.
They don't stand a chance (and neither do I) and quite frankly they've been miserable because they all die instantly. I understand matchmaking was broken, we didn't really notice it was broken because when they first started at 20 ish we were getting rank 15 killers, but wouldn't it make more sense to average the party ranks instead of having it just be the highest..?
Going against a rank 10-11 killer would still be hard for them but at least do-able.
On top of that, if we don't have a full group, it takes very long to find a game unless we have a full team. A random rank 1 survivor will join the lobby, see two or one rank 15s and then dip (I don't blame them).
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I mean that sucks, but it also sucks when the rank 15 killer gets destroyed, because you're a rank one.
Also it doesn't matter if you play fair against that killer, because others don't.
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No this is perfectly ok. SWF is already strong by coms, so we at least get fair matchmaking
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I don't know if averages would work well, but that's just the ######### killers had to deal with before these changes.
Your friends still have the option to play solo or without you, play fair games and join you eventually when they are more experienced. Killers didn't get to choose.
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They want you to buy another account to play with friends lolol.
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So they helped newbie killers but screwed newbie survivors?
imagine you have 2 friends at rank 16, a rank 17 random but because you’re Rank 3 , you get a rank 1 killer.
It’s like we have one step forward and 2 backwards.
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Doubtful any Killers think 3 R20 and a R1 Survivor going up against a R1 Killer is unfair here.
It's gone from one side of the spectrum to the complete opposite but somehow it's perfectly fine for Killers now, go figure.
They'll just to tell you to go play solo queue.
Averaging the Ranks was the best solution before.
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@Tizzle I just think it should have averaged if there is only one high rank. I can understand if there were 3 or even 2.
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I like the new system, really. For both sides is good. Feedback from a very high end player.
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No, this change is perfectly fine. If you as newbie queue with high ranked friends, you know whats coming to you. However the poor low rank killer than gets matches with high rank survivors did not agree with that. The old system was fun for survivors at the expense of killers.
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Good. Tired of people abusing the rank system by boosting.
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Maybe it should be a weighted average so red ranks pull the rank down a bit more?
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So how is it fair for 3 rank 20's to play with someone in red ranks because their friend isn't new at the game, why do they deserve to be punished.
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Cry me a river. If you are a new player and you’re grouping up with a rank 1, you should know it won’t be easy. It should also be the rank 1’s responsibility to protect them.
At least take comfort killers are more likely to show leniency and mercy to your friend. Do you know how many survivors who were reds and purples with their grey and yellow friends showed me (a 14 on a good day) showed me mercy? None. They were jerks and I for one and I’m glad their day is ruined.
Still won’t stop them from deranking or getting smurfs - but at least it’s a wrench in their plans. Also dbd smurfs are sad and pathetic.
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The three rank 20s could just play together without the red rank in order to gain some experience at their own skill level. Or they could get together in KYF where the red rank can teach them how to play.
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Maybe it would be good to show global level in match making so you could tell you experience if the player, if not their actual rank. This could cause lobby dodging, but under the new system it would probably be ok. Why Dodge when a rookie shows up, and this way killer could go easy on the new guy if they want
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Yeah but some people have friends they want to play with. This game isn't competitive, its a party game, rank shouldn't matter THAT much.
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@ABannedCat So with this mentality the same could be said about how it is now... “If you’re a newbie killer you know what’s coming to you”... the old system was bad but the new one isn’t better.
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They need to completely do away with ranks. It’s always been more trouble than it’s worth.
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Look at it this way.
Your friend has three choices
Play with you and meet high rank killers, play alone or play with players around ther same rank and learn the game until they get to your level.
You have to think about not only your own circumstance but the new players who came in with the ST dlc who want to play the killer. They never had any choice to be matched with you just because you wanted to play with a low ranked friend.
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The reason why this is a better solution is because the survivors can choose what team they play with. Killers cannot choose what rank survivors will be when making a lobby. Those choices being playing solo, teaming with others close to their rank, and if they choose to team with a higher ranked friend they need to accept that they will go up against a higher ranked killer but with help
Again, it is the the survivors CHOICE. Killers have never been and still are not able to choose what ranks to play against. Survivors were able to and still can make a guess guess as to what rank range they will be up against.
It was the the equivalent of hustling or something akin. Someone hiding their skill with whatever game. No, I'm not saying all swf have that intent but the result is the same. Killers had no idea what they were up against in regard to experience/skill level. While, the survivors did and could expect a lower ranked killer if teaming with lower ranked survivors and prepare accordingly (No I don't mean they could predict what the killer or perks will be). Especially on PS4 where it doesn't show hours played. Regardless of the survivor's intention it was extremely unfair to the killer.
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About time. Survivors are gonna have to suck it up like we did for so long. If your friends care enough to play the game in a team, they might want to think about getting good at it first. THEN you can come with legitimate complaints.
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If I queued with 3 rank 15 friends I would not be against a new killer, I would be matched against a rank 10-11 if the average rank was taken
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Create a sub account and play with them.
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It's not just about being completely new but also not being good enough to get passed those ranks. That wasn't fair to be matched with you when they had no choice.
You and your friends have a choice so why should the one who doesn't be the person that gets disadvantaged?
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Well, anyone can say this is a good change but this literally just gives people even more of an incentive to derank than ever before.
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"It's bad for new players to be forced to go against players much higher rank than themselves" is a sword that cuts both ways. At least the SWF version comes with friends and voice chat, the killer version just comes with lonely, bitter tears of regret.
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@danielmaster87 you’re the epitome of biased in this game.
I never liked the old system but I don’t think the new one is fair either. All I’m asking is to meet in the middle. You on the other hand... well you’re just happy that now the other side has it “bad”.
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We actually get fast matchmaking now suck it up
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do a custom game, problem solved.
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Ps4 I can use infinite accounts.
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Only the ones that only want to play if they can play with their high-rank friends. And I guess other Survivors who get paired up with those SWF groups.
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No. If it went the other way, it would be super unfair for the newbie killer to get stomped -- and unlike the present situation, they would have no control over it. As-is, you're making a conscious choice to queue with better players, and therefore you accept the risk. This is working as it should.
My suggestion for new players who want to queue with experienced friends is this: queue as a group of four, so that you're the only newbie. You'll get a much better learning experience that way, because you'll be with multiple people who can teach you good habits -- and you'll be out of the newbie ranks faster.
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Another change to make happy killers. Nothing we can't saw during months. They are killing the game, and they don't notice it.
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How in the world would a killer know what rank everyone is? That information is not shown to them in the lobby.
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Any killer that claims this change is good is delusional.
This guy in the OP just wants to play with friends.
Guess you gonna have to find another game or create another account buddy !
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This change is good.
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Once again: How else would you have it? Should a bunch of high-rank players get matched vs. a low-rank killer because they grouped with their newbie friend? It's less fair to the killer, because he has no choice in the matter, and I suspect a low-rank killer rather not be bullied by a high-rank survivor group that is way out of his league.
The survivors effectively control the matchmaking, and this change ensures that they can predict -- based on whoever has the highest rank -- what the killer's ballpark rank is. The lower-rank player is making a conscious decision to accept this challenge because he is queuing with his high-rank friends. The burden should be on the group with the power to choose, which in this case is the survivors.
The only other equitable solution I can think of is a SWF rank range restriction (i.e. you can only group with players +/- some degree adjacent to your own rank), and that would make everyone even angrier. What would you do to solve this problem, while also not forcing someone with no choice to put up with being bullied by a group way out of their range?
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So many rank 1s that have a "friend" who is new!
Just create a new account and play from there. At least it will be more fair as you will have to start without any teachables.
Or can't you play against a rank 20 without DS, Adrenaline, Dead Hard and BT?
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No, killers do not see what rank the survivors are. Have you played killer? It doesn't show the rank like it does for survivor is the lobby.
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“You guys are so mean! Op just wants to play with his friends!”
Funny how so many high ranks have a newbie or low rank friend.
Also newsflash: you can still play with your friends. You just have to look out for them while you’re facing a killer your own size.
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This right here. There is no good reason for anyone to be upset by these changes. It evens the playing field.
In general, red rank killers would have more experience against swf and be able to deal with it how game breaking it is.
In other words, I don't give a ######### if high ranked survivors "have a difficult time" teaming up with lower ranked survivors.
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I would have done this already if I could keep my damn perks lmao..
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As a killer main, I think that killers should try to go easy on survivors that are clearly newbies. The few times i play survivor i mostly get tunneling killers even at 5 gens, when it is totally unnecessary at rank 11, which makes the game really unfun.
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Lol imagine feeling so sore at losing your gg ez games that you consider making a dbd smurf. As ridiculous as it is in Overwatch, at least rank gives you SOMETHING and the community is so uptight about playing different characters. There is literally no excuse for a dbd smurf - especially as a survivor - other than “I enjoy peeing in other people’s cereal.”
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We get rank resets ever so often, so you will be able to play with your friends on a closer rank.
If you are that kind of a monster survivor that will reach rank 1 in no time, just embrace the challenge and help your friends to get better themselves, you apparently are an absolute beast as survivor and should be able to help your friends. You can coach them over voice and support them. If they face higher killers, see it as a challenge, in the worst case they still have you to help them out, help them understand the killer, their powers and counterplay better and they will naturally grow with your encouragement.
This new system is way better than the old one, because before a sole rookie killer was getting bullied by way to high rank survivors with no one at their side to help them or figure out what to do in that situation.
Kudos to the devs for that decision.
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My solution would be to keep facing a killer of the average rank.
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Add a debuff to higher ranks mate.
Just like in dark souls. When you summon a friend that has a highest level than you, that guy gets a debuff on his stats, based on the lower one.
That could be a debuff on gen repair, or the non ability to bring items, or having perks capped to tier 1, for example.
But no, you guys just claim this change is good. It's not.
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And just get 0 points. And when you're only 2, KYW is so fun yeaaaah. Of course it's ironic.
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My wife has 700 hours in three years and hasn’t played in forever. She’s been wanting to play again lately. Now if she wants to play with me she has to face rank 1 Killers. So in other words, she doesn’t want to play with me now.
Basing it on average was much better.
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Some people dont have a full 5 person group. Or dont want to play killer.
And to be honest, rank DOESNT matter.
But this change isnt bad....its basically how every other "create a party before starting" game works.
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OP, you write yourself that you are rank 1 but are not skilled enough (currently) to face rank 1 killers: "They don't stand a chance (and neither do I)"
So you are going to de-pip until you are at a rank that matches your skill. And then your friends won't have to face rank 1 killers anymore, either. I don't see a problem with that.
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