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Can we possibly nerf generator repair time?
Now I can already tell this is gonna be showered with comments all saying "Just get good lol" but when killers with 0 map pressure can't play the game without running a super meta build like ruin and what not, then I can't really say that it's very fair. I mean seriously, it takes 80 seconds to complete a generator alone... And as a killer with 0 map pressure, it can sometimes take around 20 seconds just to find someone. That's literally 1/4th of a generator and if you only find 1 person then that means that there are 3 others potentially on 3 generators that are already 1/4th of the way through. Then the killer has to chase the guy he found which could take an extremely long time depending on the loops and the map. I can't tell you how many time I've had that unfortunate set of events happen to me then seeing 3 generators pop up. Honestly I think increasing the time it takes to complete a gen to 2 minutes would be completely fair. But before you go "REEE THEN WHAT ABOUT RUIN" well then the devs can simply nerf all the generator related perks so that people are less inclined to use them. This leaves more room for more fun builds at high rank and makes it so that Ruin isn't a necessity at rank 1.
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Increasing the time is not a solution. Adding a second objective is.
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Nerfing gen times (or adding objective) to balance survivors around weak killers is completely fair? Ok, then are we also nerfing the ######### out of all the upper mid tier and above killers? It would be unfair to make the stronger killers significantly stronger. So you have to think about that aspect too. Can’t keep them as is and massively nerf survivors.
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I think the real problem is that so many killers are consistently unable to keep up with the actual game flow. All killer powers need to involve very fast movement, quick chase potential, and/or a way to slow down or overturn survivor progress, without the need for perks or add-ons.
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Im not trying to self advertise BUT!
Dont hate me please, just thought it may inspire you.
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Stop trying to slow gens down.... like seriously, no more. Dyling light just got buffed, freddy and his add ons of ABSOLUTE misery... good lord. Enough. Find another way already.
Survivors wouldn't mind another objective to do instead, I've heard that several times over. But slowing a gen down more? It ain't always fun working on gens for 7 years. People want the chases. Having a mix of everything keeps it interesting and fun, but being FORCED on a gen even longer... ugh. No wonder people switch to killer and it takes forever to Q up as killer.
If you can get better without slow down perks, that will be your best way to practice a killer. Any killer. No perks. Nothing. You will learn to adapt and be way better than a majority of killers relying on these kind of things can.
Like what killer has 0 map pressure? Some killers aren't as GOOD... but all the killers are playable at the moment... Like maybe you should be asking for specific advice on how better to play (not to be mean)? You don't always need the best META builds either... You can have fun with others. I guess I'm confused on what you mean like do you have an example, which killer? Because there's probably some good advice out here, that will help you out, is what I am saying.
Also locating targets, takes practice as well. You will get better as you play. Or if you want to add perks, like whispers you'll know. Look for tiny red scratch marks around the place. etc. Just saying there's tips and advice that will help you out, vs gens being even slower (like please no more...). When I first started I couldn't find ANYONE. But then I used a headset... holy crap. I could hear the breathes and the walking, the footsteps, working on gens etc. I knew people were close. Things like that. Pay attention and stay alert.
Lot of time a killer is not creating map pressure they are "focused" (Ill avoid the word tunneling, as that has another meaning) on only one survivor. Maybe he knows how to loop, maybe the area is bad for the killer and he can waste time a lot. Best thing for the killer is look for someone else, drop chase, and not go to certain areas or window loops. Knowing when to chase and when not to is extremely valuable. Get used to all the tile-sets, and learn them. etc.
Just some ideas.
EDIT: I didn't see you also said ruin was necessary at rank 1................. like no... And I said this somewhere else too. I am more worried about the killers that don't use ruin, because those usually end in 5 gen 4ks. I really think not relying on other things (perks/addons), and just practice will be the best advice for these things.
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Gen times are fine. Dont even dare to think thats the problem. Even at all it would be the killer (but mostly the player itself) being the problem.
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Just get good lol
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"Gens are fine"
Yes of course 80 seconds is completely fine and the killer who has no map pressure should just play better. Meanwhile that killer gets looped to all hell no matter which survivor he chases. And HellCatJane, why is it such sacrilege for killers to complain about ONE thing on the survivor side meanwhile I see countless survivors complain about Spirit, Dying Light, Freddy, etc. when none of them are even close to broken. Spirit is just mind games but most survivors hate having to actually use their brain. "WHAT MY STUPIDLY LONG PALLET LOOPS THAT WORKS ON 80% OF THE KILLERS DOESN'T WORK ON SPIRIT?!?! BROKEN OP KILLER POWER NERF PLEASE THERE'S NO COUNTER PLAY" And I've seen so many complaints on Freddy's teleport, dream pallets, etc. It's really sad to see how survivors complain constantly about killers and nobody cares but the moment a killer raises a finger towards a legitimate problem then the entire community of survivors tries to shut them up. Do you guys ever wonder why there are SO MANY gen related perks? Maybe the devs even realize that gens get done too fast so they constantly pump out gen perks without actually nerfing gens. Because if they do nerf gens then the entire survivor community will scream and cry because they can't loop the killer for the whole game anymore. Killers with very little map pressure like Clown, Bubba, Pig, Wraith, Ghost Face etc. have to run ruin in order to do literally anything because they can't sprint across the map in 3 seconds. Then when they finally find someone they have to eat pallet after pallet after pallet and rinse and repeat until every single gen is done. Now will people that play those killers get games with potato survivors? Yes of course! It's inevitable. But a majority of games against non meta killers with little to no map pressure aren't fun and are way too tedious to even want to play.
If we nerf gen repair time along with every gen related perk for killer then the games will last longer (Which is what a lot of people want) and killers that are lower on the tier list can actually perform. As of right now I love this game. I think it's the most balanced that it's ever been except for gen repair time. That's the only thing I have a problem with. I'm not asking to nerf survivors and their perks at all. Just the real problem in the game.
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Just say something productive instead of saying the most overused dead phrase lol.
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There needs to be a second objective. Slowing gens won’t fix anything in the long run.
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I agree with this. Maybe finding fuel to put in the gens or routing the electricity from the gens to power the door, possibly some wires missing or something.
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80 seconds isn't the issue by itself.
Given a few simple assumptions you need to get a hit about every 20ish seconds plus some time for tracking between chases. Or 40 seconds for an instant down.
For the top 7 Killers this is no problem. Huntress, Hag, Billy, Spirit, Nurse, Demogorgon and Freddy are all absolutely capable of achieving this rate.
For the remaining Killers they vary from bot quite (GF, Myers, Plague, Clown) to heck no (Everyone I haven't listed).
If we make it so all Killers can reasonably have these faster chases then gen speed is no longer an issue, since low chase times would cause everything to just even out in the long run.
I can link both the post where I got 20 seconds as well as other threads for how I'd buff each Killer with this in mind.
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