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Just wanted to share the Tome 4 challenges.
Some of these aren't made to be achievable.
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Oh ######### me, there's one to blind the killer. That is something I have never been able to do as a Survivor.
Wait, what the #########? "Unhook 3 survivors during ENDGAME COLLAPSE" (This must be done in a single trial) How is this possible? Most Survivors run for the hills the moment EGC begins.
"Sacrifice 4 Survivors in the Basement" at least it's not at the same time, but hoo nelly this one will inspire toxic killers, I can just feel it.
The rest however are fine in my opinion.
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Completely repair 4 Generators in a single trial, yeah I can see that happening if you're SWF but ######### every solo player. Search 4 Chests, this is impossible because everyone loots chests, especially everyone with this challenge. Unhook 3 Survivors during the EGC, right like this is even remotely possible for a solo player. Break 8 pallets in a single trial, as easy as that sounds it could actually be difficult if you get good Survivors who just don't drop them because they're greedy. Sacrifice 3 Survivors during the EGC, so lose the entire match just so you can kill them at the very end IF they don't immediately run out the Exit because you have NOED.
Yeah this isn't going to happen.
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The killer ones are phenomenally easier than the survivors ones lmao. The survivor ones literally cannot be completed outside a full 4 man SWF.
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And there's the decision maker.
I'm not going to invest too much in to all this Archives malarkey.
Many of these goals seems unobtainable and I will probably end up in a bad mood wasting too much time attempting them.
This is just a game.
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The Survivor challenges look to be rather fair with a few being bulls***. Killer challenges though suck ass.
4 basement kills in a single game. Not likely at all, not really possible with the DC meta and how rare basement plays can be.
Damage the same gen 4 times in a single game. Likely to happen, but odds are you are going to end up losing that game going for this.
Trapping all 4 Survivors in bear traps as Trapper in a single game. Yeah, good luck on that one. Doable but HIGHLY unlikely.
3 sacrifices during the EGC while using NOED. The ######### is wrong with the devs making these Killer challenges?
Landing 5 bear traps in a single game as Trapper. Again, possible but highly unlikely.
Let me ask again. What the ######### is wrong with the devs thinking those are fair challenges? Some of those simply do not have odds of earning they are that low.
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While these completely suck, I have to say the name Decisive Light is pretty great for the flashlight save 2 times in a trial. That said that means I need to get better at flashlights. Good thing med kits aren't as good now, gives me a reason anyways.
Wait, COMPLETELY repair 4 generators? Doesn't that mean you have to be on all 4 solo? Or do coop actions still count for complete repairs? Jesus if not that's gonna be impossible. I've only done that one time and that was because no one was doing gens but they managed to run him around long enough for me to do those 4 gens, and we still died.
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Can anyone tell me how you're meant to do 4 gens in one match?...
Does it count if a teammate does one? You'd need your team to be useless...
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These look pretty insane. Insanely difficult. (Not all of them of course)
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seriously a flashlight save one probably 90% of the community doesn't even know how to flashlight save...
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Lol
i cant wait till tome 4 comes out. The DCs that will transpire from rage across both sides is going to be soo #########.
And now that the challenges are known, i get to read the QQ threads before the tome 4 drops.
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Some are definintely doable but most rely on variables outside of your control and some are even impossible thanks to the DC "meta".
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Also how the hell are you suppose to do the plunderers one in solo play that sounds like it's gonna be rage inducing watching your teammate loot a chest
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Hopefully dc punishments are out before these harder ones release.
Might be the case if its 2 weeks per level chapter 14 should be out too.
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I wouldn't hold my breath. We don't even have rank rewards to motivate people to actually rank up yet. A proper DC punishment system plus time-outs for repeat-offenders is probably many years out.. at a minimum.
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SWF is a must for these. Even hold the door a super simple sounding challenge will be a pain when every random teammate is playing chicken with the egc timer to see who leaves last.
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I hope this is fake
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They said they're releasing it somewhat soon on the dev stream. Thats why pc servers are still on supposedly as well
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😂
For most survivor challenges you need a SWF to help you. No way you get these challenges done as a solo player.
And for some of the killer challenges you need some really bad opponents. And on top, you have to pray that they don't dc. When was the last time you had a "basement party" and none of the survivors dc'ed?
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Jesus, these look like they were written by someone who read about the game once, not someone who's actually played the game and knows what is realistic.
Thank god the lore can be completed by going the killer path then just that one survivor one or this garbage would be impossible.
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challenges shouldn't be luck based rng bullshit that rarely happens honestly tell me how are you suppose to get 2 flashlight saves in one game hell 1 is hard enough as it is
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Completely repair 4 generators using dark sense IN ONE MATCH. WOW.
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Wait was this from the PTB or is this actually live?
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this is a joke and not possible as solo survivor. can we pls do something against this bs? it MUST be changed.
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These need to be adjusted before it goes live. These are ridiculous.
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Live, you can see the level 4 stuff when you open it again after completing level 1. Can't start it though.
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That'd be too good to be true, tbh. If anything, maybe they'll learn something for the next Archive release. Maybe.
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I would be so disappointed if they didn't change those challenges
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I would be so disappointed if they didn't change those challenges
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I guess when we begged the devs to look at the challenges and rethink them they decided to internally say 'f* you we'll make you do what we want so that you suffer our mistakes'
The killer ones are so unlikely and the survivor ones too, unless in a swf (outside of flashlighting killer twice...do they expect us to intrentionally lobby into our friends as killers????)
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Just a question, can we do challenges with KYF? Or you must do it in live game?
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They're all live games, if you could do them in KYF it would be abused to hell and back.
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"Kill 3 Survivors with NOED during EGC"
Yea no. They will just start disconnecting as soon as you down the second person.
Pretty much all of the really awful challenges can be fixed by removing the "Complete this challenge in a single trial." condition.
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But now devs are abusing us.. with almost impossible challenges.. (*cries in the corner)
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Call me cynical but it feels like these sort of 'challenges' (plus the time-gated tomes, I guess) exist purely to hinder our Rift Fragment gain.
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You're not cynical, you're just being realistic because that's what it's doing.
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Four basement sacrifices
Yeah I don't believe for one second and survivors are going to take the loss and all get put in basement.
From experience in running basement bills I already have survivors disconnected they can put in the basement more than once.
Not to mention that that it basically requires you to slug but because there is no way in hell the last survivor is going to go anywhere near the basement they'll be clear on the other side of the map.
Three safe unhooks during end game
This sounds like you're asking someone to play a game of musical suicidal hooks.
You would have to have a killer who good enough to get three consistent downs and hooks whilst the endgame is happening yet at the same time as being bad enough to let someone get 3 three safe saves.
Outside of extreme coordination or a farming match I don't see this happening.
Two flashlight saves
While possible after the first flashlight save Killers are most likely going to be on edge and I'm not going to fall for another one.
Having each survivor step into your trap.
unless you up against potatoes is not going to happen as I said most likely achieved with a farming match
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They don't want you to complete the rift. Also, they want you to buy the rift which you cannot complete.
Here's the reason:
1.1000 ac that you will earn back is just a bait, because you never be able to complete the rift (without playing like a madman)
2.Free track is rubbish.. almost nothing is in there, and that's what urges people to buy the pass (see the last few pages of the rift)
3.Challenges like these are all not meant to be completed. They even lock them with dates
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Locking up the Archives behind time-gates and unreasonably difficult challenges for Lore unlocks doesn't make sense.
Locking up the Archives behind time-gates and unreasonably difficult challenges to stop players earning Rift Fragments fast does make sense.
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Some challenges are ridiculous, you gonna change them? @Peanits @MandyTalk
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Saw it on Reddit and posted the image here.
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The only killer I can see the basement build working on is trapper and even then that's a stretch because they'll dc
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A lot of these challenges are bs. Wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to do it in a single trial.. but you do.
Getting 3 sacrificing during endgame with NOED is just straight up impossible and situnational. If endgame collapse has been triggered and survivors see NOED they aren't going to be attempting to save the person, unless they're a very altruistic SWF.
Getting 3 unhooks during endgame collapse is also bs and very unlikely.. but possible, though I'm not a fan of it.
The toughest one probably being to sacrifice 4 survivors in the basement, even if you manage to get 3 the last surv is gonna stay as far away as possible. Also survivors would just DC if they see someone is running a basement build.
The devs doesn't seem to really have thought some of these challenges through.. They seem to be for the "dedicated" and "hardcore" playerbase, totally screwing over casuals, like my friend who'd never be able to do most of these.
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I'll have to fight that. I believe they've put a lot of thought behind it. Over the top challenges are a genius way to stop the common player from getting Rift Fragments.
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The toughest one probably being to sacrifice 4 survivors in the basement, even if you manage to get 3 the last surv is gonna stay as far away as possible. Also survivors would just DC if they see someone is running a basement build.
That's an issue with a lot of the challenges: They don't depend on you being good, they depend on everyone else being bad.
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I understand that some of these need to be challenges, become increasingly difficult to achieve to obtain a high quality reward.
But some of these challenges don't really challenge the player and lean more against RNG.
- Dark Senses, Plunder King, and Last Minute Hero have a high expectation that your team are either useless or too busy playing Ring around the Roses with the Killer.
- One for Each and Six Feet Under have a high expectation that the Survivors you're playing against are brain-dead
- These challenges are even more ridiculous when you take into consideration Red Ranks
These challenges need to be tweaked so they're not luck-related with the matchmaking and are achievable to the player in most matches (regardless of who you're matched with and who the Killer is).
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These challenges don't give me any motivation to spend money on the rift. Quite the opposite.
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Locking lore / animatic behind stuff like "Sacrifice 4 Survivors in the Basement" is pretty scummy in most people's eyes and will discourage a lot of people from even bothering with both the Archives and Rift.
One of my friends is pretty new, and she's literally having a blast playing as both killer and survivor on the first page, earning rift progression and learning how to do stuff via the tasks. She especially loves that the lore entries are voiced and is super pumped about getting them all.
I know that when I show her the "4 Generator" and "4 Basement Sacrifices" tasks that it's going to kill this desire.
If you reworked half a dozen of the latter tasks, you'd really have something special and fun.
You're 90% of the way there, but you're going to blow any interest in future tomes, and, as a result, future Rifts if you don't adjust certain things.
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but I feel like Agitate, Iron grasp, and even mad grit was already a meme build
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You won’t find anyone to admit it, cough @Peanits cough, but these are clearly there to make sure people can’t finish and earn the “free premium,” by getting all their 1k cells back
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