Tru3Ta1ent speaks the TRUTH

I want to give up DS and NOED, but I actually use NOED on Pig.

I hate DS even as a survivor and I won't use it. I hope they still plan on changing it

@franticpig29 said:
First off he is not a killer main he plays both killer and survivor in rotation. He is 50/50. He does not main one side. He even said this many of times. I'm a survivor main. I use NOED on all my killers if I have it, because i'm bad as a killer. I'm 95% survivor and about 5% killer. I only play killer for daily's or for the events to farm.

At least you're honest as a killer unlike some on here who blame everything but themselves when they do badly. Now that isn't to say that there's issues they are but quite a few on here use that as an excuses.

@thesuicidefox said:
https://youtu.be/DsRO2_gbq7k?t=6m53s

"Get rid of Decisive, Insidious, and NOED and rank would be a lot more skill based."

He is 100% right. DS and NOED are crutch perks for bad players. Killers defend NOED until they are blue in the face but at the end of the day it's there as a comeback mechanic for when you fail, making it a crutch (just like DS). If you need this perk to get kills, accept that you aren't as good a killer as you might think. And if you complain about DS but use NOED you are nothing but a hypocrite.

I agree with him on Insidious only because it makes people play like trolls, not necessarily because it's a crutch. With a few tweaks I think it could be salvaged.

BTW I got to rank 1 with Freddy without using NOED, just incase someone wants to tell me "git gud". Also I'm sure some killer main will say something like "Tru is a bad killer" as a way to dismiss his statements, when the truth is they just can't stand when one of their own actually tells it how it is.

Come at me.

NOED at least for me personally is when the gens get done too quickly and i dont use ruin (it goes in like 30 seconds at worst) and its all right because the gens get usually done really quick and there is nothing i can do regardless (unless i dedicate my time playing nurse but its pysically impossible for me due to ######### fps.)

Its not that i want necessarilly to use it. Its either that or no killing power at the end game (assuming they dont destroy the totems preventing it which is the true thing that differenciates it from DS (hence why many including me think NOED is not DS)).

And i used to not use it and i was still dependent on if the survivors sucked (as will probably always be unfortunally).

@thesuicidefox said:

@DepravedKiller said:
DS and NOED are part of the game and most likely here to stay however with that being said they may need to be adjusted/tweaked. I will leave that up to the devs

Explain to me how being "part of the game" makes it acceptable? Infinites were once part of the game. Instant-fix BNP was once part of the game. Tinkerer 2 bug was part of the game (until today). SWF is part of the game. Stacking purple mist is part of the game.

Just because it's "part of the game" doesn't automatically make it okay.

Infinites were survivors using obstacles in the game to create a never ending running loop. The obstacles are still in the game but were as i said adjusted.

BNP is still in the game and was tweaked to make it less powerful however still part of the game

Tinkerer 2 was an unforeseen bug that they fixed but the perk itself is still part of the game.

Thus making all of these acceptable by design. However due to player feedback on fun and enjoyment around these perks is when the devs decide to change them.

@thesuicidefox said:
https://youtu.be/DsRO2_gbq7k?t=6m53s

"Get rid of Decisive, Insidious, and NOED and rank would be a lot more skill based."

He is 100% right. DS and NOED are crutch perks for bad players. Killers defend NOED until they are blue in the face but at the end of the day it's there as a comeback mechanic for when you fail, making it a crutch (just like DS). If you need this perk to get kills, accept that you aren't as good a killer as you might think. And if you complain about DS but use NOED you are nothing but a hypocrite.

I agree with him on Insidious only because it makes people play like trolls, not necessarily because it's a crutch. With a few tweaks I think it could be salvaged.

BTW I got to rank 1 with Freddy without using NOED, just incase someone wants to tell me "git gud". Also I'm sure some killer main will say something like "Tru is a bad killer" as a way to dismiss his statements, when the truth is they just can't stand when one of their own actually tells it how it is.

Come at me.

Suddely everyone got to rank 1 as Freddy. Is this a new trend i started?

The game isn´t over until you see the point screen.
Until then everything goes. If the killer wastes a perk slot to have a chance to one hit survivors after the gates have been powered, then thats a strategy. Survivors can easily avoid NOED, if they can stop their gen rush and do some totems.
Survivors asked for a secondary objective, now they ignore it and go mad if the killer gets a comeback.

Insidious will be nerfed hard, once every survivor gets Kindred.

Not gonna start about DS. Or maybe a little bit. Survivors love to dc if they get downed and fail their DS skill check. 1 DS isn´t a problem. 4 DS are a problem. If they change DS to only be usable by 1 survivor, then they can keep it the way it is now. But give survivors a warning that more than 1 has DS equipped. So they can change the loadout.

@Runiver said:
The point of NOED is to punish genrushing.
And yes, genrushing can happens even if you don't camp.
The main issue with NOED is, if a survivor gets caught early and hardcamped, the killer can easily earn 2 kills by usually grabbing another one with NOED as the gates are getting opened.

This scenario is indeed, rather annoying and problematic, and should be looked.

About DS : it's bad in every single scenarios. It's just unfun and poorly designed.

I agree and i think that NOED is not on DS's level. Crutch yeah. DS level stupid? Once 2 years back yeah. NOT TODAY. No sir. As long as it can be prevented totally from being active at base its not DS level. At all.

I think insidious needs a rework but I don't know how they would do it now because Tinkerer does what I thought a new version of insidious should do. I felt Insidious should be a button activation that removes your terror radius for 8-10 seconds. But yeah I hate DS and NOED.

@SovererignKing said:
True, they are not. Though it’s just the premise of idea of “rewarding failure”. Both do the same thing, DS just does it better. 

A game mechanic that seems to reward failure isn't bad by design. There is an interesting video about feedback loops in game design on youtube. It explains how and why so called negative Feedback Loops exists. It kinda prevents games from beeing boring or the winning side snowballing the other one.
Noed in my opinion isn't bad in the current state of the game. If all four survivors are still alive by then, then you actually need to be a good killer to catch them all with it, because the totem can be destroyed quite easily and you can still can't be everywhere.
Most of the time it actually only rewards you with one hook against good survivors. Because as soon as they know Noed is in the play, they will play more cautios and either leave as soon as possible, use good loops or search the totem and destroy it.
Noed is a mechanic that actually makes the endgame quite interesting in a situation where one side seemed to have gotten the upper hand. DS on the other hand doesn't have this effect in it's current state. Yes, it helps you after you failed a chase as a survivor and gives you another chance, but you have it at the beginning and it isn't 100% clear if the killer side actually has the upper hand at that point of the game, because we don't know how long it took to down that specific survivors, how many gens are done or how many are sacrificed.

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
Why is NOED considered "rewarding failure"? Game is not finished until you see the point screen.
I mean there are perks specifically for the endgame like Remember Me and Blood Warden.

Because otherwise Survivors would have to admit that NOED even triggering is their fault, and that late-game builds don't exist.

Oh damn, you are right.

Indeed. When I pointed out that all of the Nightmare's perks are late-game in another thread, all I got in response was a dodge, claiming that he's "more effective" with such and such build, despite the fact that I was only referring to his perks and not his gameplay (since perks are teachable and all, referring to so and so character's perks is literally just referring to the perks).

I would love it, if Blood Warden was activatable by pressing a button. Not by hooking someone after the gate has been opened. Punish teabaggers at the exit gate would become my new hobby.