We need to stop lying to ourselves. Nurse deserved every nerf she got.

It's almost like eventually they would have to add a new mechanic on a killer that bypasses the normal interactions of the game. They just happened to do it really early on.

All her power did was change the way in which survivors must play to have an optimal chance at escaping. All it required you to do was learn how to fake running back or around corners and learning how to weave through the map instead of just running around in circles around pallets ad infinitum.

But my biggest point is that eventually they will release another killer like Nurse that ignores pallets/walls and it will just cement the fact that you can't expect to run the same way against every killer. That kills the variety in gameplay and who enjoys running around L-walls 8 times for the juicy pallet. Now the changes to Nurse turned her unique survivor gameplay into THE MOST GENERIC possible version of running in a straight line across the map. That is so braindead easy and simple it honestly boggles my mind that BHVR thinks this is acceptable counterplay for a killer.

Yeah I agree, no doubt that she requires you to play differently.

However, it wasn't like spirit where you have to loop differently but there are safe areas i.e. behind a wall, above her etc. There was no safe area with nurse (still isn't tbh), hence why the nerf was definitely justified.

Nurse is basically the same killer at base, you will eventually catch up to a survivor if all they are doing is running straight (tried and tested), the only difference is that you can't do it instantly like you once could? I don't see how you can say she's generic now and wasn't before when her core fundamentals haven't changed at all lol

EDIT: nevermind, I just saw the nurse profile picture now it makes sense why you think the changes are unjustified.

If it were game breaking, the devs wouldn't allow it. Sounds to me you just need to 'git gud.' She isn't hard to figure out. You can't play against her like you would Trapper or Bubba. But then, most people that complain are people that just don't want to learn.

If you think she's game breaking, then I have every right to say SWF with comms is game breaking. That can LITERALLY IGNORE THE MAJORITY OF KILLERS THOUGHTS/PLANS/ACTIONS. It goes both ways.

What gets me is the people saying that she needed a cool down on her power, forgetting that she already does. Her fatigue. Honestly, all this nerf to basekit did was slap a cool down. . . on her cool down. It's stupid. Her addon changes? Those were good. They were needed. I have no issue with that. But basekit? No.

I think the whole point of the changes were to control having such an over powered character, that's limitless in where she can go (except for a max range) by giving her an increased cool down. Which makes perfect sense, it was either that or kill her power by doing something silly like reducing the max range or maybe reducing her lunge after a teleport.

Ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that her power by it's very design, is literally gamebreaking so it's very hard to balance and more importantly to keep balanced as the game progresses.

Lmao troll post or dense asf?

Nothing you said was wrong except for seasoned nurses won’t care. I got to R1 with Nurse multiple times. I’ve dropped the character post rework because I straight up don’t have fun with her anymore. It’s not fun gluing my eyes to the bottom left of the screen the whole game waiting for my second period of waiting in the blink wait wait mantra to be done. It’s extremely unfun. Can I 4k? Absolutely, but it’s not fun to do it, so why bother?

Ok I will just throw this one out there since it's really basic and it encapsulates this idea pretty well.

A power bar that is drained from while charging blinks. It holds enough for almost infite 1 blinks, but double blinks draw from it and cap at like ~3 double blinks in a row max. This gives control over your power and rewards you for using it effeciently. Currently Nurse doesn't reward you for using your power wisely, it just doesn't punish you as hard for using it when you really should be (moving around, etc...)

Another one: Give her 3~4 blinks in reserve that recharge slower so there is more upfront but less overtime. This still awards smart blinks but still lets you use them for everything like they were intended to be.

Current Nurse changes do not reward smart blinks or using them effciently it just doesn't punish you as much for walking around like an m1 killer.

Survivors:

• 4-man squadettes are rare and therefore shouldnt be taken into account dor survivor nerfs.
• ######### up nurse because good nurses are good with her.
• A killer with many 4k is too good, regardless of survivor performance.
• It breaks the game!!!! Although the devs made her so.
• Fun

An interesting thought or question i just had: "How xan nurse still be strong if "running in a straight line" hasnt been debunked as a myth yet."...

I love those folls calling her game breaking instead of anti-looping, but then turn around and call DS anti-tunnel lul.

What if I told you....that I also think SWF with Comms is just as broken as nurse...because it is...

Didn't see that one coming did you?

However the difference is the devs plan on changing the rules of the game entirely, bring solo survivor's up to the level of SWF and then bring killers up to that level as well.

What gets ME is that you attempted to appeal to hypocrisy by assuming I'm okay with SWF as it is now. Not only are you wrong, you clearly show that your intentions are to argue in bad faith.

We agree on something. Congrats, I guess? My point was a seemingly double standard. Devs think SWF is fine. If that's the case, then Nurse should be fine as well. Both 'break the game,' by your definition. So if they're okay with it, is it breaking the game?

What does them bringing solos up to SWF level have to do with anything, though? That's a topic for another time, though I do wish they would give some kind of roadmap on that. If you're trying to point out that they're 'working on game breaking mechanics,' I still disagree that Nurse, basekit, is game breaking.

First, her skill cap alone was a hindrance. Take away omega blink, and how many 'good' Nurse players were there compared to the rest? She could do well with no addons, but it took extra work, which is why omega blink was so popular. And so easy. Then her fatigue. People seem to forget that's her drawback, and failed to use it. You can get a lot done in the two seconds she can't see you. Slapping yet another cool down on top of her cool down in the way they did comes off as both sloppy and lazy to me.

Like most killers, they take a bit of time to learn. Nurse was no different. What the devs should have done was hold off on the base kit changes. Throw in the new addons, and wait. Watch the data. See what changes, before implementing any change to her base kit. Give a chance for the changes to settle, and see where Nurse falls into line. As it stands, in the month and a half since the changes, I've had two matches against a Nurse. Two. And it was a stomp. I can only imagine how it must have felt being the Nurse.

I'm not saying she wasn't tricky to go against. Against a good Nurse, you couldn't use the usual killer tactics. But that's the whole learning process. I used to have fun with it (minus omega blink, or some of those distance addons), but I can see where some of the problems came from. That doesn't mean I thought her base kit needed the hit.

I just read your entire post which ignores the first sentence of my first post. I don't care how much skill it takes. I don't care how many people know how to do it. That doesn't come into account of game design. The devs don't care and shouldn't care either how much practice it takes. You don't get to break the game just because you're skillful. Something requiring skill is not a good excuse to break the game. There is 0 excuse to break the game. YOU brought up SWF which I TOLD YOU THE DEVS ARE WORKING ON. Which THEY HAVE SAID THEY ARE WORKING ON. There is no double standard. They took the more complicated and difficult route of fixing survivor with friends. I don't even know what the point of bringing it up is. If you want to argue the quality of her changes that's fine, but to say her base kit isn't broken is asanine.

Believing that being to ignore all defense survivors have is kinds yikes bro.

This comes down to a difference in opinion, then. You believe, and apparently a few others, that Nurse breaks the game. I, and others, don't. Base kit Nurse, to clarify. She is fine. She took skill both to play, and play against. Whether or not you care for that skill gap is irrelevant. Again, comes down to opinion.

Not like it matters now, they butchered the poor girl. How many Nurse players are there, now? Nobody wants to touch her. Which makes me wonder where the devs are getting their 'her numbers are going back up.' For all we know, that climb could be a single digit.

Even veteran players will struggle to do anywhere near the same with the changes. Everyone in favor of them acts like they aren't huge but you're cutting over 50% of her usual time blinking and substituting it with the slowest walk speed for killers. There is no way to weasel the wording even the best Nurse in game took a huge hit. To do the same amount of progress in a match now is at least 3 seconds x blinks per game harder and slower than it was before, which adds up to a lot over the course of the match.

Yeah...a killer isnt supposed to be balanced around inexperienced players. So...why even type that.

Wait, Nurse got a nerf? I say this because as a Nurse main, I don't feel it.

I can still 4K in most games because the cool-down just delays my downs by a few seconds. 😁

That's not going to stop me and other great Nurses I'm sure.