Gen Speed is not okay

I get some maps are unbalanced but where did gens go too fast?

What about gen times on high tier killers, skilled killer players, and balanced maps. Gen speeds are obviously not the problem that needs to be addressed when maps and low tier killers enter the equation. Both killers need buffs and both maps need nerfs. Am I wrong?

I think the main issue is not the gens but the pressure of some killers and some maps and why they are all being looked at. The main issue is mobile v less mobile killers as some dont have powers to put of pressure like the Clown where as Stealth Killer, Trapper and Hag etc can do better as they make people more weary about where they run trying to avoid traps or stay out of the open.

The Doc cleary has a small charge range without addons but luckily they are next on the list for some love, It was a not perk game so knowing this we cant conclude much from it.

Remember the same streamer has taken killers from rank 20 to 1 with no perks. Recently done a 50 game Wraith challenge with purple addons with 49/50 wins with another streamer counter it with Trapper in 50 games with around th esame I think using yellow addons.

The Clown well he is one of the weakest killers but still viable with the right player. if you watched the video though you will see he did get looped quite a bit but he was triying to hit them with the bottles for insta downs. It was a viewer build for him to test out and by playing this way it cost him quite a bit of time than if Tru3 was using a build he knows so I doubt the result would have been the same.

Bad games happen and you will lose some and win some but thinking one or two videos are a good mettic for game balance simply ignores the fact that this very person manages well over the average ratio in terms of kills/escapes in the sum total of their games.

Thats not to say changes dont need done hence the devs are constantly working on things in the background but anyone of us can cherry pick games to try and prove a point but it is sort of telling when its only one person used in around 90% of these posts.

Generator times is fines.

1. He didn't use perks, they did.
2. He played Doctor, it's currently being looked at.
3. The survivors started working on each a single generator which made them repair them like 1,2 and 3. Nothing wrong at all.

Old news day.

Things that is, once you hook a Survivor then they get unhooked

1. One survivor is injured need to be healed
2. One survivor heals that injured survivor
3. One survivor being chased

And there should be 1-2 more survivors being injured while trying to do unhooking. So basically that circle will repeat itself until those last 2 Gens done.

Its not like 1 Survivor gets hooked and the other 3 still on Gen.

Update the maps and then we'll see how bad gen rushing is.

Gen speed is fine (coming from a player whom play more killer then survivor and on console and in the mid ranks)

Let's talk about all of the perks items and add on that survivors can use to make the gens faster... first up Perks

SC: 6% faster repair speed but 10% increased skillcheck trigger odds and skillcheck zones are reduced by 10%

PT: 10% repair speed bonus

Resilience: 9% increased speed on evert hinges while injured

TINH: 30% bigger skillcheck zones while injured

Next are toolboxes:

Brown toolbox: moderately increases repair speed... slightly decreases skillcheck zones

Yellow toolbox: moderately increases repair speed

Green toolbox: considerably increases repair speed

Purple toolbox: tremendously increases repair speed

Now add-ons:

BNP: installing automatically repairs 15%... hitting skillchecks do 5% repair progress up to a total of 25% of Gen repair progress

GW: moderately increases skillcheck zones

SS: moderately increases repair speed

CR: slightly increases repair speed

I know I left some out but (I hope) you get my point...base Gen speed it fine... its the speed of progression vs. regression

But on to killers (you know... the regression part)

DL: hooking non-obsessions causes the non-obsessed to have 3% penalty to repair per stack (I think 8 is max)

Hex: HL: 6% regression on missed skillchecks

Hex: Ruin: Good skillchecks cause 5% regression... great skillcheck give 0% bonus to progression

Overcharge: 5% regression on the missed skillcheck

TT: Gens can't be worked on for 16 seconds after picking up a survivor... but also can't be regressed

CI: 3 gens furthest away from killer are blocked for 120 seconds

Surge: applies 8% regression on all gens within 32 meters of a survivor put into dying state

PGTW: 25% of total progress is instantly gone after hooking a survivor and kicking a Gen within 60 seconds

Can someone add in what the base regression is for base kicking gens... TY

You are using a minute demographic for your conclusion. The vast majority of players just play and never comment on the game. There are just as many streamers and players who don't agree so who is right or wrong? It's an opinion normally based due to a bad game.

I explained why the videos are bad examples. The clown video was a viewer build using the pinky add-on where hitting them with the bottle gives him a one hit down. You could see him trying to hit them direct and not taking hits at times he could. Do you really you consider trying a character with a new build and testing add-ons a great way to provide data on a potential issue? He is also considered to be one if not the weakest killer to some. Thay says its The Clown that needs some love as if this was a Spirit or Billy game the reuslts would probably be alot differnet.

The Wraith is not meta. They are considered one of the weaker killers by this community It's why everything posted needs to be taken with a grain of salt as its down to personal skill and experience. That's the issue if one wins 49out of 50 games then why complain they lose a few to better players? That's down to being too competitive as many with this mindset feel it shouldn't happen but it does and will. There are always players who can play better, we can all play bad at times and some on both sides simply don't play that well most games. It's the nature of gaming we can all be good at everything.

I never said wealth secured my argument but your argument in that paragraph is telling. You admit tru3 can and does do it but it's because he is seasoned or just a really good player. Doesn't that in essense say something about players wanting to be better than they are? If one is being constantly gen rushed then doesn't that say more about how players need to improve to do better and shows its not impossible? Shouldn't games be challenging anymore? Should every game end in a 2k at least regardless of how the other side play?

Sorry but it makes me think of participation medals when we know players do well but some want to do just as well without being as good.

I have been here since 2016 when gens were 40s, no slowdown perks, SB had 20s cooldown and true infinites existed along with BNP which actually gave you instant gens with one tap (4 gens within 20s used to be done that was a true gen rush). I know what gen rush is and what we have today doesn't come anywhere near the same scope of things of the past.

Some killers need worked on as they don't have the pressuring ability of others or chase potential. Maps need reworked and some windows especially need removed or made shorter as they are too safe. The game isn't perfect but it's far from as bad as people complaining tend to go on about.

Remember at the true peak of balance 2 kills should be considered a match of equal skill. While that can be done for some only with camping or tunnelling others can achieve this or more with multiple hooks.

What we should never expect is kills handed to us when we the those who are better at certain aspects of the game. We will lose games and some quite badly on both sides but that is a reflection of our own skill versus others like in and PvP game.

The most frustrating thing is the emblems and how they don't reward for a perfectly balanced match even with multi hooks at times and why that itself is being worked on right now.

Have you ever heard of pgtw?

Made by me

We have tons of other DBD youtubers with reliable information yet we always get a Tru3 video

Just because slowdown perks are meta doesn't mean they are neccessary for having a fair chance. The real problem as I stated is underpowered killers and poorly balanced maps.

In many maps you can turn an area into a dead zone by eating pallets and kicking generators. Low tier killers and high tier killers can both do this (although on some maps this doesn't prove effective due to poor map design).

Everything you've said here is true but survivor players love it that way and lower rank/inexperienced killers don't understand how bad the problem genuinely is. I can play for 4 hours on console and have every game end like that no matter what tactics, killer or perks I play. Nothing you do impacts them meaningfully, especially if they have chat and just call out everything you do. And it's not "git gud" it's a serious design problem

I don't disregard anything but you do when you see someone playing with something they don't know well yet expect them to do amazing with. Anyone who changes things up will have a learning curve with it. It happens in all games.

I touched upon that with the emblems as they do go against the balance which is 2 due 2 escape and why I dont like it. Its also why the ranking system is being reworked as we speak. The whole game is setup so you can verse a 5k hour player if you have 100h. Unless someone is truly amazing at the game from the get go do you think they should be on the same comparative level?

There are people who play CS:GO and may have 2k hours but they never get out of silver. Then you have ones who have 50h who are higher up. If you disregard any skill LVL needed then its like asking for a participation prize. Time played should not determine how well you do it should always be down to knowledge and skill.

Some may think they are good but if you se4 a good player doing well and you chat match that doesn't that say something?

While tru3 does go against good players he himself still has way over the average. You seem to think just because you seem someone as really good they should never have bad games. You can look at many other stream to see they themselves do extremely well. You need to get off the one person train and look at many different ones as it gives you a very jaded viewpoint. One person is not the be all and end all of balance in the game. It says a lot more when most videos if not all recently shown to try and state something are of this particular person rather than an array of different players.

I get it some think what is stated is gospel but that's not how things work or should. I'd recommend you watch some others Scott Jund, Ohtofu, Alanedgarbro to name a few. They have good and bad games and talk about both sides openly regarding issues not just one.

While your numbers are true you ignored the average match time of 12m per game I posted earlier. DBD was always a fast paced chase game. To slow it down can and will make it less so. Now you have to consider those that tunnel or camp as they feel they need too. Slow it down too much and those strats actually become stronger as no matter what players will always use what gains them an advantage its just human nature.

It's the same argument when some say ruin is mandatory. It isn't as again many do extremely well without it or any other gen perks. What ruin does is give one a sense that they are doing better at the game and helps them climb ranks where they wouldn't normally. It actually removes learning and can make players worse over time as without it their true skill LVL shows making them feel like the game is unbalanced to them. It becomes something one relies on rather than it helping.

The point still remains that you sue someone who has way over the average in terms of what one could consider balance and also that they are a great player. A great player would be over the average by it doesn't mean they won't meet players better than them still.

Think about this. If the game was balanced on how well tru3 himself does then what would happen to killers? This is why using one person is completely the wrong thing to do and should always be taken as an opinion rather than a fact.

As i said him winning 49/50 games with a non meta killer who is considered weak by this comminitu should in your mind then be considered as a reference point to have that killer nerfed which is highly laughable. That is a fact you cant deny as to use one example for ones own narrative and ignore the other from the same person shows not only bias but a hypocritical viewpoint. It's disregarding anything apart from what fits the purpose of the post.

This is why balance is done on a huge number of stats. Its not just about the kill ratio, the game length, perks or add-ons used etc. Balance comes down to every single little thing being taking into the equation.

I leave you with this. Forever Freddy had the add-ons changed. This was due to the stats showing it slowed the game down way too much when usef with slow down perks giving them too much of an advantage. It was not what the devs wanted to happen and nerfed the concept.