Why is nobody talking about nurse anymore?
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Survivors are happy and killers just accepted the bad rework. I think that's why nobody talks about poor sally anymore.
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Like I said requires some skill. A skill most people didn't either develop or want too because it requires you to actually think instead of brain dead running a loop.
Nerfed is a nice way to say butchered to uselessness. Even a dev confirmed that Nurse is now worse then Legion.
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Highly debatable
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because people are slowly forgetting she exists.
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@Peanits Will we see a basekit nerf revert?
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Nurse is no longer talked about because she’s in a good spot balance wise. People finally got it in their heads that whining about her being “unplayable” wasn’t going to change anything.
The issue with Nurse now is her interactions based on dedicated servers, but she’s not the only one. Michael and Huntress are also highly affected by the new system as well.
To anybody saying she is bad, she is not. Nurse is still the single strongest 1v1 Killer in the game, period, no debate. Her 1v4 was toned down, and this made bad players think she’s bad, when in fact she’s still the overall best killer in the game.
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Dude what are we even talking here?
The question of the topic is "Why is nobody talking about nurse anymore", and i said: Because those people who did not main her or are amazing with her moved on to a different killer. You said it yourself, the winrate is very low on her now. Guess why that is? Amazing Nurse players still destroy, those who are not that good.. loose.
Many people dont want to spend so much time on learning her. For old nurse with her strong addons winning was super easy, now its hard. So again, they moved on to different killers (look at pickrate) and accepted it. Or they learn her propperly and get destroyed by survivor until they are actually good.
And Survivor dont care so much anymore because they rarly face a godtier nurse anymore.
The combinition of those makes this topic less interesting anymore.
Yep, these are facts. True, interpretation all along, but based on statistics and what we see ourself, its dead obvious.
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Except nobody was asking for her kit to be changed. Don't pin BHRV over nerfing on survivors.
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With the way the nurse was severely damaged and suffered two major nerfs that has left her crippled beyond repair, the devs have sent a clear message they want survivors to be the power role.
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I just don't create a thread everyday about her and whine, but i still think the basekit nerf was too much. Just stating she's fine now is not a way to make people shut up, that actually play nurse.
The main issue with nurse is, that her cooldown hurts her chase potential AND her map pressure. She would be fine if the cooldown would apply on hits or swings. Dedicated server issues are just a part of the problem.
She's not bad, just boring, because you need to use two specific addons against good survivors, and incredibly unfun, because you get punished heavily for using your ability in any way.
I'm a 1k hours nurse main, both sides red ranks btw before you ask or assume.
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The devs made her unfun to play. Plain and simple.
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No she's not. She had good perks.
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Her base kit nerf in form of cool down + added fatigue made her unfun so moved on from being nurse main to other killers and played more survivors.
Emphasis on making her unfun to play. Not saying I still can't get 4 kills with her but u find other killers way more fun than her now.
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So first, fun is subjective. Saying you find her boring to play means nothing, I find her fun now, and and absolute bore as she used to be. Anytime a character's power level is brought down in a game people will find that character to then be possibly unfun. But I digress, my point is the enjoyment you get from a character is not a direct correlation to their overall potential.
Secondly, I don't really care how much time someone has put in the game, or a killer. All I care about is a reasonable and intelligent discussion on someone's point of view. I know the forums have a ton of knee-jerk hyperbole, trolling etc. so the prefacing of experiencing in game seems necessary at times.
I think the Nurse is fine as is, basekit and addons. The issues she has are game wide, and hurt other killers too. She suffers on larger maps now, all but a few killers do as well. That's part of the reason Ormond and Red Forest are so survivor sided. Dedicated servers, as I mentioned before, are also a big hit to her. The thing was is she was so powerful before,she just ignored all the balance issue in maps and gameplay. I understand why some may not enjoy her anymore, she did actually change quite a bit. I believe, for the overall health of the game, the changes were needed.
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For the overall health of the game the nurse changes, at least the addons, and the spirit changes, again at least the addons, were needed. But also a bunch of map changes that aren't online till today.
My main point about her is not that she is not powerful rn, my main point is, that she got a bunch of funny addons i cannot use, because my addon slots are already filled with addons to make her useful against actually good survivors. She got 105% speed baseline rn (with blinks as mobility). She got the map pressure of T1 Myers without addons. That's the math.
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Honestly, as someone that mains Nurse, some of her add-ons need some serious changes and her blink cool-down should only apply to lethal blinks. 😁
You might hear more about her if these things happen.
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I completely agree with the addons, I feel like they couldn't come up with anything, so just made random effects. Half of them are just a joke, but again, I feel that's a larger issue. Multiple killers have addons that will never be used outside of just memeing, Nurse just has it worse.
I also agree she lacks map pressure on large maps, but so does Huntress, my main. It's just how DBD is, some maps are just kinda free for one side, which is why it's bad map design.
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Can you explain how you, personally, find her more enjoyable now that she spends an additional portion of her time in cooldown and has lost most of her map pressure?
Legitimately curious.
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Im pretty sure nurse wasn't even in the top 3 of highest kill rate when devs gave us stats previously.
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Nurse DOESNT have 105% baseline...Just wanted to clear that one up. You need an UR addon to get 105% speed.
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No one is talking about her because survivors finally got their way and had her nerfed to the ground. They don't want to be threatened so now that she's out of commission, they just pivot to the next target.
No one is talking about her because survivors finally got their way and had her nerfed to the ground. They don't want to be threatened so now that she's out of commission, they just pivot to the next target.
No one is talking about her because survivors finally got their way and had her nerfed to the ground. They don't want to be threatened so now that she's out of commission, they just pivot to the next target.
No one is talking about her because survivors finally got their way and had her nerfed to the ground. They don't want to be threatened so now that she's out of commission, they just pivot to the next target.
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Hmm I wonder why, survivors did a hit job on this killer because she was strong and now she's garbage, there's a reason Nobody plays or even talks about her, the Nurse playerbase is dead and I have only ever seen one person play her (and he failed miserably btw). She needed nerfs but they totally killed her. After watching Zubat run her with the 3 blink all I could think of was "Wow, what a garbage killer, I could do better with my no addon Legion." Best part is Zubat was a huge Nurse main and would play her frequently, now he'll only play her on a paid request, that might tell you something huh.
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Lol right..I did my own little survey using some top streamers..less than 5 nurses each seen since her update..how many did well..? 0..natta, zilch..even watched a couple gameplays of her..she didnt do any better than anyone else..in fact she objectively did worse because of all the time she wasted...That's how I know you haven't been looking..there arnt even enough nurses still here to determine her strength XD
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Don't get me started on all the crutches survivors have. Old nurse with 6 blinks still couldn't stop a coordinated genrush team. With new nurse, they don't even break a sweat when they hear her screech.
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So in other words, we should use gut feelings and intuition over data to determine if she is still good. Got it. I think swf is OP, lets nerf that. Deal?
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Yes, they existed and still exist.
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Everyone talks about her, she is a hot topic.
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If you read I never even said the number one..sorry pal but your argument is as crude as can be..and evidence points to it being nothing but talk
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Hopefully
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Really? Because I've been playing this game for a year and there have been countless posts to nerf her all together as well as her base kit. So those people got their wish. That is a fact.
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If you play red rank killer enough you'll see it's actual reality.
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Which is fine. As I said, broken since release. Never should have been introduced to begin with.
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That's why i wrote: "(with blinks as mobility)". Her blinks allow her to traverse certain distances fast, but the cooldown throws her normally way better map pressure of ~145% down to 105%. She got a lower map pressure than clown without addons.
TL:DR: The concluded movement speed with: blink -> blink -> fatigue -> cooldown -> blink -> ...
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She takes thought to use now. Previously Nurse was just too easy for me to enjoy. I had to intentionally not try or goof off. Now I actually have to aim my blinke properly, and react correctly to survivor jukes. She doesn’t feel like pure easy cheese anymore, I enjoy the challenge of properly using her power. Even without add ons she was way, way too easy to succeed with at a basic level.
Nurse only lost her map pressure on large maps, that’s it. She still dominates smaller-medium maps. As for the cooldown, I feel people were just used to an overpowered ability, and refuse to adjust.
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I can't remember seeing any. Either way they should have just touched her addons.
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--push--(insert somebody talking about nurse)
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You've been to red ranks...? The content of your many posts about nurse led me to believe differently...
I too have played nurse much more than I ever did before the nerf. She was fundamentally a broken killer then. Now that she actually feels fair I'm sure more people will start to pick her up. Probably not more than the number of people looking for easy wins who played her before and have now dropped her, but still a respectable number.
But pleasing those kinds of people is impossible. They seriously thought basekit nurse, a killer stronger than any other killer using their strongest addons, was fine as she was. You can't really reason with that mentality, can you?
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Stats show you are wrong, the pickrate is lower than the one of clown but hey i am sure more people are going to play him too. What do you base that on?
Basekit nurse is stronger than iri huntress? LuL k. People do not play her because there is no payoff for being good as nurse.
BHVR did a lazy af rework on her, slapped artifical cd on it and thought wow so good, while not even fixing bugs that existed for i dont know how long again lazy af.
Go play nurse on the new map that shows how good the killer is. Tell me how many deadspots there are. Seriously if you get a single kill as nurse on that map the survivors you played against are horrible.
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The pickrate AND killrate tells you enough about the current state of nurse. I'm one of the few people that still mains nurse after the nerfs.
It's impossible to win against good survivors without two specific addons. Okay. Even if you hit your blinks you feel punished because of the cooldown on your cooldown. Kind of acceptable.
The worst thing is, that she is not, like you said, "a challenge". She's basically impossible to learn rn, if you don't wanna depip to brown ranks and see 80 hours of 4man escapes. I had two low rank friends that tried to learn nurse before the nerfs and now dropped her, because you feel completely powerless and punished for nothing while using her ability.
To fix that BHVR could've easily applied the cooldown on your cooldown only on actual hits. But hey, that would make her op otzdarva said. ,)
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That's not entirely true. I have 115 hours in the game and I hover around rank 9 as killer, so not a god by any means. Took me about 10 matches with her to play at a decent level. Only depipped maybe 4 times in that learning period. I can now play her at a high enough level to at least get brutal, even against decent red ranks.
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Omega blink is probably the reason. 80 % might have relied on them addons and with base range they suck ass. I still do well with her, good for me that I learned her without using omega blink
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You are attacking a strawman bud. That guy talked about facts bad gave false informations. I tried to correct him. Case closed. No clue what you are trying to continue on but it's meaningless.
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I see her far less often than before the rework in red ranks. Like every tenth game or something.
And when playing against her it feels a little bit to easy. She can't keep up with LOS mindgames now imho. If I hear her sound I am like: Ok an easy game for a change.
I really don't want to admit it, but I think the devs overdid it a bit. She was broken before (not only the add-ons) but now she is too weak against survivors with decent chasing skills
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Whats the relation between being deadly and be chosen? You can have a 4k easy piece killer but not chosen.
The thing is now that nurse is nerfed how is the kill rate with it? On purple ranks not even on red ranks with pro SWF 4 toolboxes with BNP
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Tru3 much times play with potatoes
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I'm sorry, but how do you play against decent red ranks in green?
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Red ranks before nurse even existed. I was infinited by every survivor and then called trash. So I had a very deep and passionate love for the nurse because she stopped bold survivors in their tracks and said NO to god loops. Unfortunately, she's been nerfed so much she can now be abused. Max of 2 blinks on a cooldown can't stop fast survivors that know how to juke. By the time you recover from your mistakes and constantly using 2 blinks to catch up, the other 3 are humping gens and its a gg. Completely ruined because the devs actually believed your survivor-main propaganda that she had no counterplay. There is no killer that good survivors fear now and I think that's very, very bad.
If you say she is fair now, you make me believe you are a survivor main.
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Because matchmaking is busted. I went against two Rank 2's, a Rank 3, and a Rank 5 with 9000 hours combined, with me as rank 10. Played with Wraith, got brutal killer. One kill, two on death hook.
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And nurse? Also played against a combined 20000 hours rank 1 swf on rank 1?
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As a survivor I miss the old nurse because those were fun games and I loved the challenge even though most of the time the nurse wasn't great due to not many people knowing how to play her. But on the rare occasions that there was a good nurse I had fun. I miss old nurse.
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