Amanda Young | Killed Remastered

Everything here be just my opinion.

Increase crouch speed to 100% - 100% miiiight be a bit too much? I'm down for increasing crouch speed, but maybe to, like, 96% or so. Maybe I am wrong and 100% is okay, though. Since the numbers are just placeholders, I'll say that I am fine with increasing crouch movement speed a bit.

Auto-grab occupied survivors while ambushing - I actually think it is okay to have to uncrouch to grab someone.  It gives the Pig the choice of either going for the ambush or going for the grab but not both. As long as it is not better to uncrouch just to hit someone idle period, I don't think we need to do something like this.

Lion sound moved to end of charge - Thumbs up from me.

Passive/Active RBT states - Ehhhh, can't say I approve of this. Unless I am misunderstanding this, to me, this just reads like a glorified "increase the death timer by 30 seconds compared to how it is now," which I can't get behind. If you reduce the passive timer down to 30 seconds, though, then this kinda just becomes identical to how RBTs function now as far as timers.  All you are really doing, from my point of view, is just rearranging when the timer is counting down and when it is idle. Could you elaborate on how your idea is not simply just "RBTs effectively have a timer of 180 seconds?" Or, I guess to put it into less of a number talk, how is this idea differentiate RBT death timers from how they currently function Then maybe I can see what I am misunderstanding.

EGC timer slowed by 50% while someone has an RBT - I actually think only slowing the timer still has the potential to put the Survivor in an unwinnable situation. I think you need to pause the timer instead to make this a safe thing to do (which, mind you, I am a strong advocte of).

Add-Ons

Increase the time search for Boxes by 1/2/3/4 seconds - I think 7 extra seconds can be worrisome (granted, numbers are placeholders, as you said). Currently, the two Gear add-ons raise the search time to 17ish seconds, whereas this can raise it up to 19. Maybe this would be fine with the increased timer, but as I am not a fan of that atm, I am not sure how I feel about this. Maybe if you just stuck with 3 and 2 (resulting in 5 seconds, only EVER so slightly worse than current Bag + Crate), it would be safe.

Reduce passive timer by 10/15/20/25 seconds - This hinges on my understanding of the passive/active system being correct, but I don't think any of them are worth using, not even together. Raising the total time to 180 seconds makes these not do anything meaningful. I know the numbers are placeholders, but I can't judge these add-ons without the numbers.

Counterclock-wise Skill Checks - I don't think these would be worth using. Doc at least screws up the skill checks in other ways to make CCW skill checks more annoying, but I think in a vacuum, just mixing in CCW skill checks with regular ones isn't going to accomplish much against good Survivors.

RBTs inflicting status effects - I don't like them as they currently are, and they seem no different here, so I don't like them here either.

Shutting off Jigsaw Box Auras after passive timer runs out - This is an interesting one. I don't really like the passive/active system, but this seems pretty cool to me.

When a Survivor removes an RBT, regain one - Not sure how I feel about effectively infinite RBTs with no strings attached. I think you would have to reduce the starting inventory as a downside.

Silence vegitation/breathing while crouched - Noooot sure this is worth an add-on? Particularly a very rare add-on? Could be mistaken on this one.

RBT activation causes scream + 45 sec Oblivious - Ehhhh, this kinda just promotes tunneling the Trapped Survivor and runs counterproductive to the goal of RBTs (stalling), which is my problem with current add-ons like Slow-Release Toxin and Face Mask.

I will certainly respond to this when I get the chance (which may not be until tomorrow), but rest assured that I have read your response in full.

Fair. For all I know, 100% could totally be fine. PTB testing would be the best way to figure that one out, yes.

I guess the way I see it, by moving the lion roar to the end, you're kinda buffing the surprise capabilities of the ambush to make it stronger than just uncrouching and attacking. So I was kinda thinking "you ambush if you want the easier hit and you uncrouch if you want to go for the grab". But you make a fair point about just being able to have your cake and eat it by just uncrouching since a failed grab is probably just a hit anyways. I guess when you look at it like that, there isn't really anything wrong with ambushing always being the correct decision if the Survivor hasn't caught on to your presence, since the alternative would still be that ambushing is never the correct decision, which is stupid. Alright, I'm on board with this idea now.

I know that numbers are not finalized, but let's go with the 60 second passive timer and 120 second active timer. Assume we're not using any of the add-ons that reduce the passive timer.

We can probably categorize Survivors into 3 groups: Good, Average, Bad

The bad Survivor would probably do as you say and not take the RBT seriously, letting the passive timer run down while they do whatever until the active timer starts running down. This only gives them 2 minutes to do box searching, which is basically the current RBT + Tampered Timer.

The average Survivor would likely start hammering out boxes on the first chance they get. This gives them the solid 3 minutes to get their Trap off, which is worse than the current RBT.

The good Survivor would probably spend 30 seconds doing whatever they can do from wherever they are (heal, start up a nearby gen, maybe search a chest or do a totem), and then from there, they would start to hammer out the boxes. This gives them the same amount of time as the current RBT, except they also got a free grace period to do whatever they want. This also makes it worse than the current RBT.

Currently, I am off the opinion that Reverse Bear Traps as they are now suffer from consistency issues. When they work, they are solid time wasters. When they don't, your power is neutered that much more. With that in mind, I would argue that this change at best does not fix the issues (at least, what I feel are issues) with the current Reverse Bear Traps and at worse simply makes them worse against non-potatos/non-greedy players.

The way I see it, if you just hardcore tunnel the Trapped Survivor while the timer is counting down, even while slowed down, you can force the Survivor into a completely unescapable position (sure, they might have enough time to do boxes, but then they won't have enough time to make it to the gate), which I don't really like. You can argue that they are in an unescapable position with the paused EGC timer still because the Killer simply won't let them go, but you could MAYBE argue that if the Trapped Survivor manages to shake off the Killer somehow, they could potentially then find the time to do the boxes without having to worry about the EGC timer. IMO, the safest way to go about it without promoting opportunity for abuse on the Killer's end is to simply make it so the timer can still go active once all the gens are done (which, I guess in the context of your idea, would be to make it so the RBTs automatically become active once the passive timer runs out) and to pause the EGC timer. That way, there's still a timer counting down to their demise, but the trapped Survivor does not have to worry about a second timer that they can't do anything about.

I think my concern goes a bit beyond simply spending more time trying to get the trap off. It's not just an additional 7 seconds per box to get the Trap off; it's an additional 7 second per box just standing around being open to being spotted by the Pig if you are using the strongest add-ons. If at any point the trapped Survivor gets off the Box, they have to start the search on a Box from scratch. And if the Pig approaches, they have to either move away and suffer an additional penalty searching or just take a hit from the Pig. An additional 7 seconds means the Pig has 19 seconds per box to interrupt them for even a second. Just one single success doing so can throw off the Survivor considerably if they aren't lucky with getting the Trap off. This is already doable currently with Bag of Gears and Crate of Gears (which is why I'm okay with your 2 and 3 second add-ons), but my worry is that the additional 2-ish (technically just a pinch less) per box compared to those two add-ons can prove to be problematic. Granted, with the 3-minutes total your RBT idea has, maybe the concern is mitigated, but it's hard for me to be okay with that when I have issues with the passive/active idea as presented as well. Though of course, it is entirely possible that I could be off-base with this and that the extra seconds ends up being fine.

Here's the thing: Unless the current RBT timer starts up before the Survivor is off the hook, Survivors wearing RBTs already are under not a lot of pressure if they don't wait to start doing boxes. Your passive/active timer with those numbers reduces that pressure even further. So all these add-ons are doing are adding back the pressure that was basically taken away from the Traps in the first place. And even if you use the two strongest ones, the total minimum amount of time you are giving the Survivors is still higher than the time a Survivor would currently have with just Tampered Timer, an add-on that already kinda does nothing unless someone actually DIES to the RBT. Considering that no one reasonable would put off doing Boxes if they see the passive timer draining like a mofo, the end result for the two strongest add-ons is still weaker than one current add-on.

I think the problem with all this is that your intent is supposed to be that you are giving Survivors the chance to figure out how much risk they are willing to play with, but not only are you minimizing the pressure of consequences to people who choose to play it safe compared to current RBTs, but you are giving more risk for people to safely play with before the pressure of consequences become on-par with current RBTs. I do not think that the RBTs need to be made safer compared to how they currently are, but that is what is happening in practice.

I personally have a dislike for add-ons that effectively function as worse versions of existing perks (ex. almost every current Mangled add-on that exists). Personally, I'd rather just allow Huntress Lullaby to affect boxes (since it currently does not, to my understanding) and just have the add-ons do something completely different (preferably something not Skill-Check related). This is more personal preference than anything, to be fair.

I think it's not that simple. The thing about this series of add-ons is that they do nothing at all to hinder the Survivor while they search boxes. They are only relevant when the Pig is actively hounding them. Mangled is arguably an exception, but that kinda goes back to what I said before about add-ons being worse versions of existing perks. If the Pig does not actively harass these Survivors while they have Traps on, the add-ons do nothing at all because once the Traps are off, they can just go about their business as usual. If the Pig DOES actively go after them to take advantage of the status conditions, however, then we have a different problem where the Pig is having to tunnel the trapped Survivors to make use of those add-ons. This is bad because the point of the RBTs is to stall for time and slow down gen progression, and if the Pig is chasing the people with the Traps, the Pig is reaping none of the stall benefit from said Traps. It's basically putting the Pig in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

I would personally say no more than 2.

I did indeed miss the second part. My apologies. My concern with the second part is that the Pig can now accurately track which boxes a Survivor has already checked. If three boxes are done and the Trap is still on, the Pig now knows for certain that they can simply defend the last box like all hell and make sure the Trapped Survivor can never get the Trap off. Is this necessarily strategically sound? Probably not. But I worry this would invite trollish/griefy gameplay tactics that doesn't really have an answer to it. Granted, this is already possible with the fundamental design of RBTs through sheer dumb luck, but I'm not sure how I feel about increasing the efficiency of such a tactic.

Well, the Survivor kinda already has that going on with the Pig crouching to them, so the Survivors by default always have to worry at least somewhat about being snuck up on due to no Terror Radius. What this add-on does beyond giving away the Survivor's immediate location is give the Pig an opportunity to not have to crouch to potentially catch that Survivor by surprise. But as is the case with the status condition add-ons, that is only really relevant when the Pig is actively trying to take advantage of the add-on and effectively tunneling the Survivor, which runs counterproductive to the goal of the Reverse Bear Traps.

I don't understand the point of the passive timer that seems almost like a nerf to me unless I misunderstood something.

Moving the roar to the end of the ambush is nice, I like that.

But 100% movement speed is a bit much. The speed could use a buff, yes but that's too much.