If ruin changes go live, me and a bunch of other killers are probably gonna quit

You can't be serious… Dev really said that? Did he/she ever talked to Legion players?

Nah, some of us just actually learn to play as each Killer efficiently rather than sticking the same perks on every single Killer and acting like we're good. I personally play Adept Killer + 1 generic perk so I feel like I'm better than most of the crutch perk Killers that have been whining today.

@xChrisx is correct in his post. You all have relied on Ruin and now it's gonna be trash so now you wanna take your ball and go home. Thanks for Ruining (cwatididthar) Hag cause you all don't wanna learn how to play the Killers properly.

Lol doctor rework turned out to be a nerf to him and yeah ruin our most important perk ruined I'm done with this game

Only weak Killers need Hex: Ruin. So, to have a meltdown about the changes says more about your ability as a Killer than not. Get better at the game. Apply more pressure.

If I'm playing a lower mobility killer, yes I'm going to use ruin. If I'm playing something where I can move around the map more easily, no I'm not going to use ruin. However, ruin is kind of needed for some killers on the early game pressure. Those are just pure facts. But, with ruin changes, I can just have fun using iri seal Plague and have survivors eventually complain about that til Plague will get nerfed

And I know you're not a good Killer cause you think you NEED Ruin in any capacity. No.....no you don't. You'd know this if you didn't completely rely on a crutch perk. Now you won't have a choice but to learn how to be a good Killer or maybe you'll just stop playing altogether?

Well sorry you feel you gotta waste a perk slot on Ruin solely cause you picked a slow Killer. There are ways to play around these things. If the Killer is slow just pick which gens you want to sacrifice and protect the ones that you know you'll be able to reasonably patrol. Sometimes you just gotta learn to play differently with each Killer and now you guise don't have a choice.

Rofl. Of course we don't have a choice because we're getting cucked on gate keeper now? Like I said, time to run Iri plague. It'll be nice to see survivors complain about it and how it needs to be nerfed. "it's punishing." Mori's will def be more fun now as well

Why are you even talking, when you obviously have zero understanding of the game?

Ruin is needed and this is a fact pointed out by many good killers. Killers that win games without ruin are either playing at low rank or against boosted survivors at higher ranks.

Without ruin you won't be able to get even a single kill against a good SWF ... even as the top killers.

Bye

Yes, I have zero understanding of the game. Let's go with that because I don't rely on Ruin to win games. I actually take the time to learn how to play as a Killer using their perks and don't have to go digging into other Killer's bag of tricks to win. That's it. I apologize. You're a great Killer cause all you can't win without Ruin. My apologies.

Well i was playing killer at rank one and survivors at 4 guess gonna just play survivors now , sadly......

Try a different strategy with clown. I've seen red rank killers 4k with clown without ruin. Not saying your gonna 4k every game... Let's just be honest here we all play against other real people, sometimes more often or not we all run into people who are just better players. And not saying you are a bad player at all, but there's always gonna be people who are better players.

All you can do is learn from mistakes, try new strategies and perk builds until you find the right combination that works for you. You can't just pick a random killer and expect to 4k every game without putting in the time to understand and effectively use that killer. I think most killers use ruin as a crutch instead of a strategic tool.

There are some pretty smart killers in these forums that have some pretty cool builds. Why not ask around for ideas and see what works best for them. I have used several builds from posts in here that were very successful for me.

Last thing, I'm a Doc main and I'm really looking forward to seeing the new changes tomorrow. And your already saying the perk is garbage and it's not even out yet. Why don't we all wait until we can see it in action before we flip out, fly off the handle and all look like dumb jerks in the process.

Of course you don't need ruin when playing against low rank or plain bad survivors, but that is not how balancing should work.

The game should be balanced around the highest rank.

After every rank reset I stop using ruin until I reach high ranks, because I feel bad about new players. But once you get ######### on, you will note the difference it makes.

After these changes go live Solo Survivor and Killer are going to be much more stressful meanwhile SWF gains more strength from these changes this will only encourage Solo players like myself to give in and be forced to find people to play this game with and squad up. As a person who plays both roles solo this hurts me tbh. I might just be a straight up survivor main after this and leave my Killers to catch dust.

Ruin is gonna be bad. You can tell that already,unless it wasn't a hex perk. BUT,you never know until you test like you said,problem is killer is LIMITED.You can't stop 3 people from working on gens on cowshed as leatherface for example if your chase still hasn't ended cause of the badly designed maps(amount of safe pallets,the map is big so even if you end the chase you need time to get to the gen which you can't if the killer doesn't have mobility). I just want lower tier killers buffed and then ruin can be gone. I don't use it on good killers,but it's absolutely needed on lower tier ones if you want to be as succesful as possible. If you could possibly link me a good clown/bubba main that plays without ruin and 4ks at rank 1,it'd be greatly appreciated. I'm saying it for real cause if there is a better way i want to learn it but at the moment,i just don't see any other option.