BHVR killed Hex: Ruin

But that is assuming Ruin isn't gone in the first 30 sec. I'm fine with the changes if Ruin become a normal perk instead os staying a hex

I'm not saying this change is perfect, but I do believe this perk needs to have a Haunted Grounds effect when cleansed since survivors can go the entire game without seeing the effects of Ruin. 😁

Oh really? Hmm so kicking isn't required while the totem is still up. I see, thanks for the info.

I can express my opinion all I want. If you’re too much of a child to take it, then maybe stay off of a “discussion.” Too many of you whining about a perk change.

all they had to do was make it a non hex perk for it to be mid tier.. but lets butcher it and still make it a totem perk whew. ruin went from the strongest to the weakest perk so fast

This may be a distant and INCREDIBLY unlikely positive to this happening.. but, unfortunately, with the way games are done so quickly... they're either gonna have to add a second objective for survivors to get out or nerf gens by adding more time, or making it impossible for more than 1-2 survivors to work on gens.

Lemme just pull out that pool chair for the survivors and hand them a pina colada while I'm at it.

What? You wanted pineapple in it? I'm so sorry. lemme just nerf myself real quick.

It's not like maps or perks that help find totems don't exist to find ruin right? RIGHT?!

Dread it. Run From it. The Ruin Replacement build arrives all the same

Y’all realize Corrupt Intervention, Pop Goes the Weasel, and Thanataphobia still exist, right?

Honestly.

It didn't need a buff, but it didn't need THAT rough of a nerf. Totem smashers will just steamroll the perk right out of the game, but they could always do that. The only thing this does is just give more time before they have to find that SPECIFIC totem.

As said, late game it would hold a lot of power, buuutttt the totem staying up all game to be useful then is wishful thinking.

I want to see a stat that they haven't given yet. @Peanits , wanna convice them to give us a stat showing what percentage of games a LIT totem makes it through without being cleansed?

Be honest, if thats untrackable it's fine. Yet I think that stat should influence the idea of basing a Hex perk around being beneficial in the Late Game.

Plus side... NOED got buffed.

Funny I play both to red ranks but you say how would survivors feel if Dead Hard or Adrenaline got nerfed... Let me remind you that the meta perks that have been nerfed are the following:

SB (Exhaustion nerf)

Balanced landing (recent stager being taken away)

Dead Hard (Exhaustion nerf and change to make it so can only proc when sprinting)

DS (we all know the DS rework which like ruin reword is a giant nerf)

Borrowed Time (used to give borrowed time to unhooked and unhooker)

Adrenaline (this is a really old one but I am only mentioning it because you did but it never used to cause exhaustion)

Self Care (it used to be used as much as ruin is now, but was nerfed into the ground multiple times with both a debuff on the speed and a nerf to heal speed in total. Now it is rarely used at red ranks, just as I imagine ruin won't be.)

Mettle of Man (this one needed a nerf but then again Ruin needed to be looked at)

Hopefully ruin being nerfed will mean that killer kill rates plummet and gen times will be made longer or a mandatory secondary objective will be added. Nerfs aren't a bad thing all the time. If a nerf doesn't lead to a balance then something else will be buffed. Ruin being nerfed means that complaints will happen about gen times, eventually the Devs will give and do something about gen times. Survivors hated it when the healing nerf happened but they managed to live with it, we can live without ruin until the next buff.

Yes because every new person to the game was going against ruin and was not hitting any skill checks, ruin only really effected low ranks, red ranks can consistently hit greats and no totem spawns, tier 3 ruin against a rank 20 team is an easy win for anyone.

If you agree with them and think changes made are for the "better health of the game" then im in awe. The total outcry against this (your player base) among other things proves how out of touch they are.

Freddy got a really huge rework which is great, while Legion, Nurse and (apparently Doctor) get a big nerf. Balanced landing was fairly balanced imo, it was slightly better than using sprint burst at the cost of actually needing to fall from somewhere for it to work. Balanced landing is now pointless to use. In all my killer games since it got nerfed the only person ive seen use it was someone who didnt realise it had been nerfed. Im sorry but nerfing a perk so its no longer viable isnt good for the health of the game, for BL and same goes for Ruin.

I play killer and survivor. Im red ranks for both. Red ranked games are so very boring and you know why? Because its so easy to rank up in this game that whenever im a killer im getting put with survivors who tbh should be green ranked, or when im surviving with friends everyone gets out easily with less than 18k BP. They're dull.

Instead of actually addressing issues, devs are continually adding to them. From a neutral standpoint they do seem to favour survivors, probably due to the 4v1 aspect.

I've seen lots say they wont play killer anymore, more will join that when they experience it on te PTB. And i personally know 17 people who have told me they will just stick to SWF now.

I understand its hard to balance the game for everyone, but because newer players cant land hex skill checks? Really? What about the millions of us that had to learn the hard way and are still here? It didnt traumatize us that much and this is a problem of the devs own design. Why on earth was all the perks changed to make every rank do the same thing? Hex:Ruin at rank 1 was fine. It affected 2 people at random. It meant killers had to actually put effort into getting rank 3 and games at lower ranks wernt always constant fights with ruin. Two could do gens, two run round looking.

Everyone should be worried about these changes because killers have stopped playing as much before and waiting times as a survivor was ****** unbearable. Looks like this will be the new norm eh.

Gl to "the health of the game" If you believe devs are doing that im shocked at your ignorance or i can only assume you're a shill. The health of the game is terrible as it is, I dont know how making it worse and slapping players in the face is good for its health. If you want a comparison, use Game Of Thrones. Yes some people saw nothing wrong with it the whole way through but die hards stuck with it even when they saw the quality of story telling was going downhill in the hopes that it got better again and back to the level that made them fall in love with it. Thats why people stick by the game. But push them too far and the player base will decline heavily

The issue is the difficulty in pipping with gate keeper. its a bs emblem because even if 2 survivors escape all gens have to be done and there are cases where all gens are done and none escape but gatekeeper says even though you did really good getting that 4k which is above balanced results it says no. Its one of the emblems you just can't rely on to gain a pip for a killer. Its way to against it. While the other emblems can straight screw over certain killers such as the Plague but favors the Legion Heavily.

Too good as the Hillbilly or Bubba? risk not pipping cause of the sacrifice emblem but you may do well in gatekeeper. Gatekepper right now imo is the worst emblem though for pipping. I do not think the change will be that significant especially with the ruin change for red ranks. Now nothing is holding those red ranks from doing gens. Beforehand some survivors could get carried by an early totem cleanse or someone able to do a gen when they couldn't until ruin was gone. I expect more survivors to hit red rank or at least stay in the red more so than ever. Imo they should make it harder for red rank survivors to pip in accordingly since I bet the stats will change in favor with survivors. those 80% of games that had ruin won't be affected by it now, meaning games will even be shorter unless survivors decide to stay well after trying to pip.

Why you baiting with troll, killers can do fine without ruin just like survivors can do fine without old balanced landing, insta heals, good brand new parts, vacuum pallets, old flash blinds, old hatch. Them trying to work on ruin shows that maybe we can get some actual needed balancing from every aspect of this game. So let's see where this goes before you break down and need a safe place

Reworking Freddy was not doing killers a favor. We were entitled to that rework because, last time I checked, we’re the ones giving you money. If we’re gonna pay, you’re gonna give us decent content. As for Balanced Landing, that wasn’t buffing killers. That was attempting to remove a cheesy exploit, being infinite loops. So no, you really haven’t been doing killers any favors as of late. Only doing things you simply had to do. Apologies if that sounded rude or harsh in any way, but that’s just the truth.

It was already pretty easy for Survivors at Red ranks this’ll make it all the more easier to gen rush killers. Should’ve nerfed gen rush since it’s the main reason why 80% of the killers have to run ruin at red ranks.