Cerebral_Harlot

It's not like this wasn't an anticipated perk combo either. Was this bug not present in the ptb?

Same here, I doubt its 32% regression with no cooldown lol.

Kinda scummy that this was all dropped on us now.

Oh boy, here i thought discussion on this was over and done with but it turns out this chapter was supporting nfts as well? BHVR really should have made this knowledge beforehand.

None of his other addons were appealing and that hasn't changed so not really.

It isn't particularly enlightening.

Wow, there are quite a few this chapter's release huh.

And all we needed to do was extrapolate from the semi-silence of a prominent mod on a fourm website to divine the meaning of "issues with audio files" really means.

Killer times are always longer when the new killer drops. It may also be due to matchmaking... or the current buggy state of the chapter.

Letting killers control when they can place their totems sounds cool. Would play well with devour and huntress lullaby.

Changes from PTB have dealt with bugs as recently as the nemesis chapter, though that one had much more organized labels. This chapter's section only has the two headers "Cenobite" and "miscellaneous." which themselves are vague and don't mean much.

Tier-F atm, literally breaks the game. Otherwise D, its tough out there for killers who can't easily attack out of their power.

In a technical sense, since some maps were removed from rotation the Haddonfield rng has increased

I think the current tech is to hold the box until pinhead is holding a survivor anyways.

The thing is, the only one who can say why it was removed is BHVR, and instead of a straightforward answer they gave a very ambiguous response. I'd appreciate if they clarified before I and others purchased the product.

Oh yeah... this whole chapter is a buggy mess, the voice lines being perhaps an additional bug issue.

If it is temporarily removed due to game file issues or permanently removed due to licensing issues certainly would have an impact on if I give behavior my business.

True... I can see how the IP holders might want to distance themselves from the sillier aspects of the Hellraiser series.

Someone said it was unfair to behavior to outright call them liars. I agree, so that is why I am using that word, I am not expecting that word to be any more or less impactful then calling them liars, just more applicable and fair. Additionally these products are being sold as a service, with the understanding and even…

Even so, was there no better way of stating it than saying it was due to game files?

Its frustrating that BHVR can't clarify/apologize and instead leaves us to debate the ambiguity of their statements.

Unfortunately they also phrased it in a way that was ambiguous and open to interpretation. I understand if they can't say anything more, but if so they should at least allow refunds to those who felt they were mislead.

That is not what I am saying, I am saying they should stated that the issue was one of licensing, rather than an issue with game files like they mentioned.

They said there were issues with game files, not that it was a licensing issue. A more straightforward and unequivocal answer would have gotten the point across more clearly. And this is me asking questions, is it a licensing issue or game file issue, I want to know before I buy.

I think many players thought it was removed due to issues with the game files, and by this I mean the buggy state of the chapter than out of studio issues. They mention game files as their reason.

I agree, its more like they were giving misleading/equivocal statements than outright lying.

Then they should do what they can and offer refunds if possible for those mislead by their equivocal statements. This catch-22 of if you were mislead by our statement we cant tell you, is frustrating to some who purchased the chapter and others who want to buy it.

If they can't be forthcoming due to legal issues, then they can at least offer refunds to players who have. You say consumers have to right to ask about products they wish to purchase, I disagree. In a similar vein, he only people who can clear up this issue is BHVR, and they haven't said anything.

Then they should clarify that, to clear up this confusion. Even just change it to "issues with the voice lines used"

I thought the "known issues" portion of the notes was where they put stuff that players might occasionally encounter in-game, the total removal of the voicelines, in either case, precludes this.

It is a very safe term, and also one subject to a lot of equivocation. Even so, why did they mention audio files then? They could have stopped at just saying complications.

They said complications _with the audio files. Suggesting that the issue was in-game rather than out of studio.

If they said "cenobites voice removed due to complications," that'd be more straightforward, but they said "The Cenobite's voice over lines have been removed due to complications with the audio files. Which is a much more technical statement and suggests that the issue was with something from the game, rather than…

Lol, thats true. I'm sure many players were expecting the new chapter to be a buggy mess too and the voicelines just another issue... and they certainly weren't wrong.

So they may have been mistruthful but they wont/can't say.

BHVR says they will not be forthcoming with any further information, even though they can clarify this by being unequivocally truthful.

Yeah it says there are complications with the audio files, audio files being a very technical item within the game. BHVR had a chance to clarify it was a licence issue, but instead they framed it as a technical sounding one. And they should have stated that more clearly.

Yeah... I can see where people who want refunds for the removed voicelines are coming from. Even if you read the patch notes they were misleading.

The notes listed it as a technical issue, not a licensing one. Many players assumed it was a bug to be fixed after release.

The patch notes mentioned complications with the audio files. While you can reach and say this is supposed to mean voicelines licensing, many players like myself thought they simply meant issues with the files themselves.

So they may have been dishonest, they just won't tell us? This lack of communication isn't good.

I was told the voicline removal was for technical reasons. If its actually copyright and they lied to us about being able to fix them ill be kinda upset.

Except it was stated as a technical issue in the ptb notes. If they mislead chapter buyers and it was never a bug they intended to fix that'd be really crappy.

The DC bugs, or his audio bugs?

Killers that can't attack quickly out of their powers, (old doc, old freddy, and even legion to an extent), always feel iffy to play imo.

Less rewarding than clown when successful, more punishing than nurse on failure.

Wait, the maps or just their offerings?

Fisherman, from IKWYDLS.

It probably has to do with priority. Sprint burst, BL, and lithe don't face this issue as much since there is no direct contest of action.

I thought it induced coughing noises?