There is something fundamentally wrong with generators.

They should totally do a perk like totem =10% of a gen :)

Just say its to counter 3 gen strats or something ez

You're right OP, there is something fundamentally wrong with generators, but it's not that they go too fast.

It's that how fast they go varies and depends greatly on the Killers and Survivors in question as well as their perks and add-ons.

I mean, if gens were slowed so that No Ruin Wraiths could effectively deal with Commodious Toolbox using Prove Thyself SWFs, then Forever Freddy would be absolutely unplayable against Solos without items.

The huge gap in this game between the various types of Survivors and Killers as well as their perks make it hard to balance any of the game's core problems.

Hillbilly and Spirit can pressure Survivors in different areas quickly enough that they can generally manage without Ruin; and with it they can handle almost any Survivor team.

But Wraith without add-ons can't easily traverse the map enough to do the same; he also doesn't have an innate instadown ability, so a Survivor in a dead zone just gets hit instead of going down unless they mess up or the Wraith has a perk to help him. He needs Ruin to keep one chase from costing 3 gens against a decently competent Survivor team.

Either No Ruin Wraith will always be not as good as Spirit or Nurse with Ruin, or the devs will have to majorly overhaul a lot of this game. Either by nerfing strong Killers so they can then change the game itself to be better for every Killer, or by buffing all the weak Killer's powers individually so they can compete with strong Killers.

Given the Spirit is going to be 'looked' at and the Nurse was nerfed, it seems like they're going for the former. At least, I hope they are.

(Understand, I did not play DbD back when, these are just assumptions)

In the early stages it was probably a lot "easier" for both sides. With the abundance of pallets and windows but lack of skill, games were probably not impossible for killers. But as the game progressed and pallets became fewer in quantity, survivors had to adapt to use pallets to their fullest (aka looping).

How I assume the early stages of the game looked like is people running around aimlessly, throwing down pallets and vaulting windows without a plan.

I can't base these assumptions on anything but this is the most plausible reason as to why killers could kill even when survivors had so many tools back then.

I play 4 minute games, do you think it's 4 minute games fun? I think not, I do not like that my games last 4 minutes while the survivors earn many points repairing generators.

It was a lot easier for survivors not killers as pallets were actually safer and windows didn't get blocked by the entity.

Like I said true infinites existed and not just time wasting jungle gyms like they are now. Imagine a jungle gyms which could be looped endlessly.

Looping has always been in the game but came more into light around September 2016. There was no way to stop this so they started to build more mechanics into the game to try and combat it.

Yes the players could run around aimlessly and why it took a couple of months to really show up.

What we have to aknowledge is for every complaint on the forums there are at least a couple of thousand that are just enjoying the game. The people that post here are a tiny minority of players and why the devs have to look at overall stats as what one person finds difficult many others find easy.

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Wins and losses are one thing, but the driving force behind so many of the complaints is that the game speed often feels out of the killer's hands. So many tiles are objectively safe and there's no reason 3 survivors can't get 3 gens done in the first 2 minutes. It just feels bad to play as well as you can with a killer like Clown and be physically unable to walk to your objective in time to defend it.

Yeah, that's why survivors always have to repair them

You're still forgetting about Legion o3o

From my point of view, toolboxes with add-ons are the biggest issue. You can easily deny early game pressure by using them and snowball it in survivors favour. I would say either remove add-ons completely (items can be useful even without them) or make it so when killer hits you, you will drop your item (without the need to use Franklin's perk).

Killer add-ons are fine - they have one-time use, but survivors can use them in multiple matches (taken they can survive). Other solution could be that survivor add-ons are also only for single match.

What tournaments?

generator completion time isn't the root of the problem you are describing. If it is or is not really a problem is a different discussion.

The root cause is the inability of a large number of killers to effectively pressure gens (in the minds of poor killers who seem to think the purpose of this game is to kill survivors). Killing survivors is a by product of defending your generators.

You've got to understand, the lore around the entity is all a lie. The killers aren't the bad guy. All the lore is survivor propaganda. The survivors are trespassing little shits who are constantly vandalizing the killers property. The entities realm isn't hell for survivors, its hell for killers! The gates when opened lead to the property of the killers and the only way to keep those little bastards from defacing their homes is to stop them from turning on the generators.

Gen/zone defense builds used to be pretty common back in the day. Today you have even more options for making solid gen/zone defense builds. But a key to making them working is striving to make sure the survivors end up on the last 3 generators closest together, and by the time they've done that, ideally there are no pallets left on the map.

Every killer, if played with a focus on planning the zone you want to control, removing all the pallets from that zone and keeping the generators from being completed in that zone, can and will succeed in red ranks against good teams of survivors.