Head On

Oh, so you consider Exhaustion perks are "I screwed up this chase, let me vault a window so I can use lithe and get free distance" "I screwed up this chase, better use dead hard to go ahead and get some distance" "I screwed up a chase, let me go in this hole and get some distance".

Head On would buy you the same time and distance as Lithe or Balanced Landing would buy, infact, with Endurance, they'd be buying LESS time and distance than other perks. So what you're saying is simply wrong. You didnt ######### up a chase if you lead a killer to a locker and get a stun from it. Let alone that Head On can be baited just as much as Dead Hard can. Your argument has simply been "being stunned is annoying". But realistically, exhaustion perks are about buying time and distance, in which case they are exactly the same. Its more annoying, but in practice they are the same, infact, even worse considering it's affected by Endurance.

"Perk A is better than Perk B, so there is no use in making Perk B slightly more useful while still worse than Perk A"

Well, with that logic, guess dying light doesnt need to be improved, because thanatophobia is essentially better. Guess Unrelenting doesnt need to be better because Save The Best For Last is better. Great talk

Just because they are both garbage, doesnt mean one is literally better. I understand math. My point was that one perk was better.

And no, they dont need people to get annoyed with bad perks, every single perk should have value in game. If you have 4 main perks (BBQ, Pop, STBFL and Sloppy) that are simply always the best perks to run, you have a problem in balancing. There should be no 1 best build and you should have weaker perks amplifying other perks significantly enough to either run them as a good combo or has the potential to snowball late game. Not every perk should be maxed out, sure, but every perk should be a viable perk.

As for unrelenting and STBFL being related, they kinda are. One reduces misses and the other reduces hits. Sure STBFL is better because having 2 hits in quick succession is better than 1 miss and 1 hit in quick succession, but that doesnt take away that Unrelenting could have better numbers(at least 60%) to make it at least comparable to STBFL.

My biggest issue is that people here are complaining about everything, yet then say the complete opposite. Nerfing is fine when the gameplay is balanced, which it obviously isnt. Individually seen, camping and tunneling can only be countered with perks that killers complain about. Genrushing can only be countered by buffing things that survivors who never genrush already complain about. Basically, the only way to play the game as a survivor currently without being forced to depip, is to rush gens. If you dont rush gens, about 75% of killers will instantly punish that. So pre-emptively, almost 100% of survivors will rush the first 3 gens, either actively or accidentally, which causes the remaining 25% of the killers to be forced to play like the other 75%.

We basically have 2 power plays that is rampantly existant in the game, and a lack of viable perks is pretty much the reason for that. Survivors need a massive buff and killers need a massive buff, then some game mechanics need a massive buff, only then can things be changed that rushing gens isnt the first interest of survivors.

I didnt ignore it, it was simply a statement you made. You might aswell have said "for every Unbreakable, we have a Dejavu". Your point was simply clear. It didnt really need a response. And if you want my thought on it: I believe monstrous shrine should be a base game mechanic on basement hooks. The basement exists for a reason, its rarely the best place to go to unless you happen to be close to it or are running a basement build. Other than that, there is no reason to go to the basement over other hooks, even though the basement is supposed to be super beneficial to killers. Having a base regression and Monstrous Shrine amplifying that regression significantly would make it a much better perk.

My argument was that head-on doesnt fit the exhaustion perks. Aka, its not viable to take the exhaustion perk slot. As for optimal builds in history of gaming, no, in competitive plays, there might be specific builds best for specific killers, but not a single build is good enough to be ran on everyone and be a winning combo. There are builds that are bad on a lot of killers, I mean, deerstalker is already quite bad unless you're going for a slug build, but deerstalker in a slugbuild on Doctor is even worse as his base mechanics already replace deerstalker much better than deerstalker itself ever could.

As for ultimately, yes, the idea is that you should never miss your m1, but having something like Unrelenting having higher numbers would allow for a build that allows a fake out. You could purposely miss on one side, then recover faster than survivors expect and get a nearly free hit out of it. Especially survivors who already memorized cooldowns and think they can Self Care for 1 or 2 seconds before they need to run again. Unrelenting isnt always about missing your attacks when you should hit them, it would allow for mindgaming when you miss an attack on purpose. Im not saying it should be as good as other perks, but it definitely could use a buff to open up more creative playstyles.

The game technically is required to buff certain perks, because if previously viable perks are suddenly pretty much unviable, you end up losing a large playerbase. Besides, again, there are a lot of perks, especially perks introduced with new killers and survivors, that could have a very interesting effect on a lot of other killers, but always have been mediocre or terrible when they simply dont need to be.

Genrushing was never about generator speeds. Generator speeds have essentially stayed the same since the game released. It's everything around generators that was simply lacking. As for Ruin, I actually think the current ruin has a lot more interesting things about it. A lot of people forget its actually there as they only get reminded everytime they leave a generator, and even then they're often like "ah, ill be right back anyway". I've played enough killer, both with and without ruin, to simply notice that on average, new ruin has a bigger effect, even though its weaker in essence. It basically went from a knife that you see coming and have the choice to block or take the damage, to a needle that you dont really notice untill the damage is already done. It's a bigger threat on the long run by being less of a threat on short term. As for NOED, its pretty much expected for killers to run it and either cleanse all the totems while the killer patrols the last 3 gens or just face it and probably give the killer a kill. At that point in the game, pips are often already earned by all survivors that are still alive, and dying after that point isnt really that impactful. If we made the mistake to not cleanse all the totems, we earned being instadowned and hooked.

Mapsize, imo, is not always the issue, really. Considering the game is technically "won" once you earn a pip, it doesnt matter what map is being used. Sure, some maps suck for a lot of less mobile killers, and they do need to do something about that, but making them smaller wont do much in the long run as you'd basically, again, be nerfing the game when you should be buffing the players playing the game to fit the maps. Personally, I'd rather have a lot of perks that are distance based, be mased on mapsize rather than a certain amount of meters. Example: If Surge can cover about 20% of the map in Gideon Meat Plant when you down someone in the middle, it should cover about 20% of the map if you down someone in Black Water Swamp. Calm Add-ons on Doctor should increase his terror radius more on large maps when his power is ready than on small maps. The only real issue you have then, is lack of mobility, but add some haste that lasts for 10 seconds when in range of certain land marks on those maps, and you pretty much reduce the issue with bigger maps.

Well, being chased by the killer is an interest of survivors too, unhooking and/or healing survivors is an interest too. The problem is that you can do nothing like that right now. If they made totems a bigger part of objectives, rather than a side objective, like guaranteeing NOED perkless when any dull totem is standing and buffing NOED itself to rebuild a random totem if they all happen to be finished, meaning that a lot of killers can simply leave out NOED out of their builds unless they want a guaranteed NOED, and those players who dont use NOED might still be rewarded with NOED, actually making the endgame a lot more threatening. Point being, the powerplays right now are unbalanced. Mapsize isnt really the problem, its base game mechanics. Some perks simply need to be base game mechanics with the current perks amplifying it. AKA the game needs to be buffed. Having a large map can be terrible for survivors, as the distance between structures tends to be a lot larger, but it affects killers early on a lot more than late game survivors. Buffing killers in ways to counteract that affection leads to a more interesting game overall than simply reducing mapsizes and keeping the current playstyles. Because even on the smallest maps, you can still genrush the same way you can genrush on massive maps. What smaller maps lack in distance, they compensate for with a lot of things that can widen the gap. The smallest maps even tend to have the strongest loops. All we need is to buff the weakspots in playable characters.

Well, my point isnt that it shouldnt have any cooldown whatsoever, my point is that it doesnt fit with the rest of exhaustion perks.

Well, you could say the same for dead hard then: After the killer catches up to you, wait 3 seconds before you can use it. Or with Balanced Landing: after you fell on the ground, wait 3 seconds before you get the speedboost. I get why it falls under exhaustion perks as it would be extremely OP in combination with Sprintburst, but its simply odd that you cant use it in the way all other exhaustion perks are being used too.

doesnt take any skill, just like sloppy butcher doesnt take any skill to apply but gives a very significant disadvantage, or how bbq and chili doesnt require any skill, but gives tons of information, or how pop goes the weasel doesnt take any skill but removes 20 seconds of work instantly, or how iron maiden doesnt take any skill but grants a free instadown+notification?

As for exhaustion perks taking decent planning and skill, you do realize that head-on, in this case, would literally require you to pathfind towards a locker with the killer right behind you. That takes a MASSIVE amount of planning on most maps, even to the point that BL and Lithe are easier to plan on most maps(and are otherwise useless due to a flat map). You need to know where lockers are or area's where lockers are likely to spawn, then reach it without going down and having the killer close enough to be able to stun the killer. Besides, this still makes it quite easy to counter as a killer can take a few steps back before the locker entering animation is finished. Meaning they can bait out the head-on anyway.

Again, the only reason I understand why its not an insta stun is because its annoying and could be demotivating to lower skilled killers, but annoyance literally is the only reason. If a permastun(4 headons+4 vigils) could be a problem, its simply an easy fix by giving the killer a few invincibility frames after the stun animation.